mark e smith slags off sonic youth (again)

Toilet & Bowels · 11.08.2007, 03:08 PM

go here http://www.vbs.tv/ then choose soft focus from the browse shows menu, then choose the mark e smith interview.
he slags them off twice, the old coot!

atsonicpark · 11.08.2007, 03:15 PM

Maybe because he knows his band is better?

Toilet & Bowels · 11.08.2007, 03:25 PM

rather ripped might be better forgotten but the fall fell off way worse than SY ever did, their music and has been totally bog standard for years. it all started to go downhill when brix joined.

finding nobody · 11.08.2007, 03:29 PM

He also called Jack Black a twat many-a-times
what video part is the slagging on?

Toilet & Bowels · 11.08.2007, 03:32 PM

part 4 is the main bit, and then either 2 or 3 has the other bit.

finding nobody · 11.08.2007, 03:34 PM

Thank you kindly.
I once read an interview where Thurston said something like "Some people think we're complete wanks, like Mark E Smith for example."

tesla69 · 11.08.2007, 03:41 PM

I still don't quite believe Thurston when he claims they'd never listened to the Fall before their Peel session. He had a ticket to see Joy Division in NYC, of course he'd heard of the Fall.

atsonicpark · 11.08.2007, 03:50 PM

Yeah, that whole peel session thing was pretty dumb.

Rob Instigator · 11.08.2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69

I still don't quite believe Thurston when he claims they'd never listened to the Fall before their Peel session. He had a ticket to see Joy Division in NYC, of course he'd heard of the Fall.

why is that hard to believe?
I have never heard the Fall, and I liste to a LOT of music. don;t feel the need to listen to the Fall. Maye thurston felt this way?

maybe he was busy listening to actually grouindbreaking underground avant garde music? not some crank from the UK with cockrot teeth?

maybe mark E smith is a stupid fucking twat? maybe the Fall were just slightly better than the Jam or The Psychedelic Furs?

A Thousand Threads · 11.08.2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

rather ripped might be better forgotten but the fall fell off way worse than SY ever did, their music and has been totally bog standard for years. it all started to go downhill when brix joined.

Do you mean when she joined the first time?

What is Mark E. Smith saying? I can't load the videos.

Bal · 11.08.2007, 05:50 PM

yeah i cant be bothered to watch all those vids
what is he saying?

the ikara cult · 11.08.2007, 06:22 PM

Ah that was very funny, he is good value.

SonikJesus · 11.08.2007, 06:46 PM

Yeah, I haven't heard the Fall yet either. I'm watching these vids rigth now and I seriously cannot tell what the fuck he is saying 90% of the time.

Danny Himself · 11.08.2007, 07:07 PM

The ugly old manc bastard. He's just jealous because Thurston gets to shag Kim and be a demi-God.

atsonicpark · 11.08.2007, 10:36 PM

Wait, people have opinions?

Everyneurotic · 11.08.2007, 11:13 PM

i can't believe people are slagging off the fall!!!

pbradley · 11.08.2007, 11:25 PM

lol at Mark E.. Smith saying that Jack Black is a twat

Dead-Air · 11.08.2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

why is that hard to believe?
I have never heard the Fall, and I liste to a LOT of music. don;t feel the need to listen to the Fall. Maye thurston felt this way?

maybe he was busy listening to actually grouindbreaking underground avant garde music? not some crank from the UK with cockrot teeth?

maybe mark E smith is a stupid fucking twat? maybe the Fall were just slightly better than the Jam or The Psychedelic Furs?

Smith says and does many stupid things when he's drunk, which is of course, a whole lot of the time. And the one time I saw them live it was a disgrace.

However, you are seriously missing out if you truly never heard the Fall. They've been pretty hit and miss for decades, but early stuff like Live at the Witch Trials, Hex Enduction Hour, and the Wonderful and Frightenting World of... are every bit the "groundbreaking underground avant garde music" you speak of and have nothing in common with the pop new wave bands you mention. Instead they mined the middle ground somewhere between No Wave and Kraut Rock in an entirely individualist regional manner that made for some of the most challenging rock of it's day.

Seriously Rob, if you haven't ever heard them, you should do yourself a favor. Listening to Mark E. Smith's pissed prattling today, no, nobody should have to do that, but that has nothing to do with the Fall's recorded legacy (and their later output is still often significantly better than that by, say, the Butthole Surfers or Bob Mould).

I'm sure Thurston was B.S.ing when he said they hadn't heard the Fall when they covered those songs in '88. We are talking about one of the world's all time biggest record collectors and a legendary band here. I'm sure if any of us had Thurston's deadpan monotone voice and every two-bit indie-wanker journalist in the world asking us stupid questions, we'd tell some whoppers to see what they'd believe too.

atsonicpark · 11.08.2007, 11:53 PM

The Fall have more great albums than Sonic Youth. Of course, The fall have like 50 albums, so...

11.09.2007, 04:29 AM

Oh, it's that old English band thing of having, erm, strong opinions about other bands. Yawn.

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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,213	go here http://www.vbs.tv/ then choose soft focus from the browse shows menu, then choose the mark e smith interview. he slags them off twice, the old coot!
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Maybe because he knows his band is better? __________________
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,213	rather ripped might be better forgotten but the fall fell off way worse than SY ever did, their music and has been totally bog standard for years. it all started to go downhill when brix joined.
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finding nobody invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 7,275	He also called Jack Black a twat many-a-times what video part is the slagging on?
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,213	part 4 is the main bit, and then either 2 or 3 has the other bit.
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finding nobody invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 7,275	Thank you kindly. I once read an interview where Thurston said something like "Some people think we're complete wanks, like Mark E Smith for example."
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tesla69 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 4,055	I still don't quite believe Thurston when he claims they'd never listened to the Fall before their Peel session. He had a ticket to see Joy Division in NYC, of course he'd heard of the Fall.
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Yeah, that whole peel session thing was pretty dumb. __________________
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Bal the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Budapest city Posts: 1,011	yeah i cant be bothered to watch all those vids what is he saying? __________________
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11.08.2007, 06:46 PM	#13
SonikJesus the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,006	Yeah, I haven't heard the Fall yet either. I'm watching these vids rigth now and I seriously cannot tell what the fuck he is saying 90% of the time.
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Danny Himself invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,623	The ugly old manc bastard. He's just jealous because Thurston gets to shag Kim and be a demi-God.
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Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	i can't believe people are slagging off the fall!!! __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	lol at Mark E.. Smith saying that Jack Black is a twat
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	The Fall have more great albums than Sonic Youth. Of course, The fall have like 50 albums, so... __________________
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11.09.2007, 04:29 AM	#20
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Oh, it's that old English band thing of having, erm, strong opinions about other bands. Yawn.
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