so this is kinda a big discovery, right? - Page 2

jennthebenn · 10.01.2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

yeah, totally! pm me yr address and i'll mail it out!

i'll send it to anybody who wants it! i already mailed jenn a copy. :-D

just warning though - it's really riot grrl-este. i co-authored it with the person who i trained to direct the vagina monologues in the future (i organized it for a while) so yeah....

i also love zines. i had always wanted to do one. the ideas for this particular one just kinda came organically.

ps - we should do zine trading.

I've put my own writing aside long enough to digest "Hoax" today. You will
definitely get feedback.

notyourfiend · 10.01.2009, 02:29 PM

haha, it's okay jenn don't worry. i understand what it's like to be busy! but feedback is awesome. i kinda feel all vulnerable having put myself and some of my radicalism so out there. thanks!

Rob Instigator · 10.01.2009, 02:41 PM

without risk there is no reward

jennthebenn · 10.01.2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

without risk there is no reward

Yessir.

notyourfiend · 10.01.2009, 02:43 PM

yeah. whats funny is that i actually didn't put in 3/4 of the shite that i wanted to talk about. ever since i went abroad to amsterdam/denmark to study human trafficking and prostitution i've kinda been fucked, unable to stop thinking about how much both patriarchy and global capitalism together suck.

!@#$%! · 10.01.2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

i co-authored it with the person who i trained to direct the vagina monologues in the future (i organized it for a while) so yeah....

id like to read your stuff too but first i'll say it's funny (both funny haha + funny peculiar) that the vagina monologues includes a story where a 13 year old girl is polansky'd by an older woman and she recalls it fondly and all is well.

double standards i say.

notyourfiend · 10.01.2009, 02:47 PM

funny story, i actually really hate the vagina monologues. seriously.

still, like the masochist i can be, i produced/directed/organized it for three years to raise money for a non profit called Y.A.N.A. which helps local prostitutes and human trafficking victims. once again, that trip fucked w me.

Rob Instigator · 10.01.2009, 02:47 PM

human trafficking is fucking horror

notyourfiend · 10.01.2009, 02:51 PM

yeah, seriously.

when i went abroad, i actually met trafficked victims. women who had been sold into prostitution. it was really really fucking intense. i entered the program completely sex-positive. i left with more questions than answers.

ps - as passe as it is, i've thought about writing a zine about the sonic youth....just about my own experiences growing up with the youth, how experimental jet set completely turned my life around etc.

!@#$%! · 10.01.2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

funny story, i actually really hate the vagina monologues. seriously.

i love the vagina but hate the monologues

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

still, like the masochist i can be, i produced/directed/organized it for three years to raise money for a non profit called Y.A.N.A. which helps local prostitutes and human trafficking victims. once again, that trip fucked w me.

interesting use of masochism for a so-called "higher purpose". good job.

madame !@#$%! often shows "rape in the congo" to her students. it never fails to make her ill.

Rob Instigator · 10.01.2009, 03:06 PM

Read of how Gore Vidal says "America is rotting away. The worst-educated people in the First World. They don’t have any thoughts, they have emotional responses, which advertisers know how to provoke.”
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...cle6854221.ece

davenotdead · 10.01.2009, 03:10 PM

i prefer vaginas that don't speak.

and apes that i don't have to call uncle

Lurker · 10.01.2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

"common assumptions about evolution" are ussually completely wrong, much like most "common sense"

no scientists ever claimed we descended from apes, but that apes and humans descended from common ancestors,. it is the ignorant idiots that push that angle.

I was going to point that out too.

Lurker · 10.01.2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

yeah. whats funny is that i actually didn't put in 3/4 of the shite that i wanted to talk about. ever since i went abroad to amsterdam/denmark to study human trafficking and prostitution i've kinda been fucked, unable to stop thinking about how much both patriarchy and global capitalism together suck.

Surely that's just cunts rather than "patriarchy" and "global capitalism". By labelling it "patriarchy" you seem to be suggesting all men are involved in this.

notyourfiend · 10.01.2009, 03:20 PM

^ interesting article above. i only got a chance to skim through it (i'm finally getting shit to do @ my job) but i'll be sure it read it later!

notyourfiend · 10.01.2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurker

Surely that's just cunts rather than "patriarchy" and "global capitalism". By labelling it "patriarchy" you seem to be suggesting all men are involved in this.

of course not all men are involved with trafficking. however, human trafficking is a direct result of both global trade and a supply and demand "rape culture." on the supply side, people living in third world conditions have been raped by capitalism. women are desperate to leave their situations and easily lured into being trafficked, families in dire poverty will sell daughters (because they can't support their children and they are worth less than men), poor men pimp out women to make enough money to live (after all, pimping is the only profession older than prostituion) ...on the demand side, we are taught that we can and should be able to get what we want when we want it, including sexually. men want prostitutes/sex workers at a cheep price.

not to sound like a party pooper (and i know i'm gonna get a lot of shit for saying this) but i really do believe that if people are going to look at porn they need to be doing a weeeee bit of research. whenever i look at porn (and yes, i do enjoy pornography), i make sure that it's made by companies who actually are legitimate because otherwise, you never know. especially for those of you out there who like kinky shit - so many women are trafficked and forced to do that stuff. the fact we are taught that it's a given right that you should be able to jack off freely does, in fact, harm women.

and that's just a brief summary of how patriarchy and capitalism come together to make human trafficking one of the worst underground trades...

Lurker · 10.01.2009, 03:33 PM

You're right.

Rob Instigator · 10.01.2009, 03:55 PM

I don;t like porn where you can tell the chick's been dosed with e, or coked up, or half roofied. fucking sick shit.

davenotdead · 10.01.2009, 03:57 PM

i don't like porn

pbradley · 10.01.2009, 04:01 PM

I don't pay for porn.

FOR PORN!!

Sorry, Kate Monster.

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notyourfiend expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: baltimore, murderland by way of new york city Posts: 1,454	haha, it's okay jenn don't worry. i understand what it's like to be busy! but feedback is awesome. i kinda feel all vulnerable having put myself and some of my radicalism so out there. thanks! __________________
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notyourfiend expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: baltimore, murderland by way of new york city Posts: 1,454	yeah. whats funny is that i actually didn't put in 3/4 of the shite that i wanted to talk about. ever since i went abroad to amsterdam/denmark to study human trafficking and prostitution i've kinda been fucked, unable to stop thinking about how much both patriarchy and global capitalism together suck. __________________
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notyourfiend expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: baltimore, murderland by way of new york city Posts: 1,454	funny story, i actually really hate the vagina monologues. seriously. still, like the masochist i can be, i produced/directed/organized it for three years to raise money for a non profit called Y.A.N.A. which helps local prostitutes and human trafficking victims. once again, that trip fucked w me. __________________
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10.01.2009, 02:47 PM	#28
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,930	human trafficking is fucking horror __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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10.01.2009, 02:51 PM	#29
notyourfiend expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: baltimore, murderland by way of new york city Posts: 1,454	yeah, seriously. when i went abroad, i actually met trafficked victims. women who had been sold into prostitution. it was really really fucking intense. i entered the program completely sex-positive. i left with more questions than answers. ps - as passe as it is, i've thought about writing a zine about the sonic youth....just about my own experiences growing up with the youth, how experimental jet set completely turned my life around etc. __________________
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10.01.2009, 03:06 PM	#31
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,930	Read of how Gore Vidal says "America is rotting away. The worst-educated people in the First World. They don’t have any thoughts, they have emotional responses, which advertisers know how to provoke.” http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...cle6854221.ece __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	i prefer vaginas that don't speak. and apes that i don't have to call uncle __________________
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notyourfiend expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: baltimore, murderland by way of new york city Posts: 1,454	^ interesting article above. i only got a chance to skim through it (i'm finally getting shit to do @ my job) but i'll be sure it read it later! __________________
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Lurker invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: No. 10 Posts: 3,289	You're right.
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10.01.2009, 03:55 PM	#38
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,930	I don;t like porn where you can tell the chick's been dosed with e, or coked up, or half roofied. fucking sick shit. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	i don't like porn __________________
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10.01.2009, 04:01 PM	#40
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I don't pay for porn. FOR PORN!! Sorry, Kate Monster.
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