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Old 01.18.2008, 12:20 PM   #101
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what the fuck is "eternity"?

It's an aftershave you smelly fucker.
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:24 PM   #102
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i thought so. does god rule over it?

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Religion is certainly flawed, but that does not mean that science is without its difficulties (anyone with a passing awareness of Popper, Feyerabend, Lakatos etc will know what I mean here).

that' a false dichotomy right there. "but science"? what's the relation? they are 2 different things.
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:27 PM   #103
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i thought so. does god rule over it?

anyway


that' a false dichotomy right there. "but science"? what's the relation? they are 2 different things.

That's a fair point - I'm pretty sure that false dichotomies are not immediately logically improper though. And besides which, we're dealing in rhetoric here, survival of the most slippery.

There's a relationship; terse, but present.
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:27 PM   #104
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that' a false dichotomy right there. "but science"? what's the relation? they are 2 different things.

because science is another organized religion.


....in that it requires blind faith in the scientific method and belief in the superiority of empirical evidence and precludes the validity of other investigative methods and certain types of knowledge...
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:32 PM   #105
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It's an aftershave you smelly fucker.

How do you pull an internet spazz-face when someone says something spazz-like? You know the one, when someone has their lips jammed and they can't spit out what they are trying to say.
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:32 PM   #106
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That's a fair point - I'm pretty sure that false dichotomies are not immediately logically improper though. And besides which, we're dealing in rhetoric here, survival of the most slippery.

There's a relationship; terse, but present.

hmphphphhmmm...

sophist!

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because science is another organized religion.

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Old 01.18.2008, 12:38 PM   #107
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...oh, like the poststructuralists aren't prone to rhetoric and sophistry...


slippery relationship; terse but present? ...sounds more like derrida than protagoras to me.
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:41 PM   #108
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:48 PM   #109
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because science is another organized religion.


....in that it requires blind faith in the scientific method and belief in the superiority of empirical evidence and precludes the validity of other investigative methods and certain types of knowledge...

sorry, but this is the single stupidest most ignorant ting on the board all day

if science really depended on blind accpetance and belief of the scientific method then why do refridgerators work? why does incandescent lighting work? why does flouresecent lighting work? why does nuclear fusion work? why does space travel work? How come the scientific method works whether or not the scientist BELIEVES IT WILL? why do scientists seek to prove their hypothesis wrong instead of right?



so IGNORANT. "other investigative methods and certain type sof knowledge" are NOT in the realm of science, nor does science ever claim it is. keep on feding yourself yr bullshit man!!!!

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Old 01.18.2008, 12:49 PM   #110
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:58 PM   #111
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I don't pretend to know what Eternity is, but one thing is clear to myself. And that one thing is that Eternity was the state of our universe before the Big Bang and will once again be the "state" of the universe after the Big Crunch. As for the now, it's a very mystical enterprise haha, but as the poets remind, eternity is in every moment.
Using mathematics, one can endlessly bisect one second of time forever. Let's look at an analogy involving geometry. Imagine a line with a point A and point B. If a team of researchers decided to keep splitting the distance from point A to a new point halfway inbetween A and B, they could pass this task down to endless generations, and still never reach point A.

As to God, the unconscious, which, as I already proffered, knows everything, is the wellspring that has been tapped into for our entire history that has produced art and science, and our cultures. True art has a certain "aesthetic" (a word, which like all these other concepts, is nearly impossible to fully define), and is more than simply a sum of its parts and processes. Fine art or sound science have a visionary aspect. Essentially, poo-pooing God is like taking a big shit on Art.
And although it's certainly true that a lot of bad art (most "art") comes from the contrivances of the human ego, Art finds its origins in the degree of connectiveness to the unconscious (both individual and collective), to natural law, to God.
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Old 01.18.2008, 12:59 PM   #112
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"other investigative methods and certain type sof knowledge" are NOT in the realm of science, nor does science ever claim it is.

you just said the same thing i was saying... that certain types of knowledge (and not necessarily esoteric mysticism... something as simple as aesthetics or poetics) are NOT in the realm of science, AND science explicitly preculdes their validity.

all i am saying is that, true i was exaggerating by claiming that the scientific metohd requires faith to work, but... scientific inquiry will yield scientific knowledge, paranormal inquiry will yield paranormal knowledge, psychoanalytic inquiry will yield psychoanalytic knowledge... that's all...
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Old 01.18.2008, 01:01 PM   #113
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the Big Crunch

unless the total force of gravity overcomes the total force of dark energy, this will never happen.

as it stands, everything is red-shifting faster and faster.

some day, the only stars in the sky will belong to the milky way.
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Old 01.18.2008, 01:02 PM   #114
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As to God, the unconscious, which, I already stated, knows everything, is the wellspring tapped into ...
lot of bad art comes from the human ego, true, but Art finds its origins in connections to the unconscious, to God.

are you saying God lies in the Freudian unconscious, or referring to Platonic anamnesis, or both?
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Old 01.18.2008, 01:08 PM   #115
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I don't pretend to know what Eternity is, but one thing is clear to myself. And that one thing is that Eternity was the state of our universe before the Big Bang and will once again be the state of the universe after the Big Crunch.

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As to God, the unconscious, which, I already stated, knows everything, is the wellspring tapped into for our entire history that has producted art and culture. That's were it comes from. It doesn't come out of thin air. Again, nothing is supernatural, and the term itself is a misnomer arising out of so-called "unknowns." Essentially, poo-pooing God is like taking a big shit on Art.
lot of bad art comes from the human ego, true, but Art finds its origins in connections to the unconscious, to God.

so your unconscious knows everything huh?

it's a nice personal theology you've built yourself there with bits and pieces of jung and plato and mystical scienticism, and i'm glad if it helps you in your travels, but when you prophesize in such grandiose tones i can't help to giggle. we don't know fuck about "before" the big bang or if there was such thing as "before". we just don't know.

and the unconscious schmonscious.

we know very little about anything, and shouldn't need to use grandiose fantasies as a mental crutch, but as it happens we seem to have an instinct for it and some people need it more than others. fine..
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