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Old 06.17.2019, 08:34 PM   #561
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You may well be right about the economic cost of no deal but I don't see a deal coming off now either, so chances are it'll be a stalemate leading to a general election which I can see Corbyn winning, and that would almost certainly have a very negative impact on the £, even if it resulted in the UK remaining.
ah, yeah, fuck... a marxist pm lololol

what could trigger the general election? a no-confidence vote for boris?

any other thing? when does the term expire anyway? this government was formed in 2017 yeah? could it go on to 2022? so complicated..
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Old 06.17.2019, 08:38 PM   #562
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any other thing? when does the term expire anyway? this government was formed in 2017 yeah? so complicated..

I may be wrong here (Australia is just bootleg UK for political purposes), but I think there's no hard limit and the Queen can dissolve it at any time (on the advice of the Prime Minister). I think there's laws saying it has to be within five years though.
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Old 06.17.2019, 08:39 PM   #563
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A no confidence vote would be most likely.
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Old 06.17.2019, 08:41 PM   #564
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I may be wrong here (Australia is just bootleg UK for political purposes), but I think there's no hard limit and the Queen can dissolve it at any time (on the advice of the Prime Minister). I think there's laws saying it has to be within five years though.

yeah i found the wikipedia that sez the hard limit is 5years after all

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A no confidence vote would be most likely.

but otherwise, could boris keep going till 2022?
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Old 06.17.2019, 08:42 PM   #565
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I may be wrong here (Australia is just bootleg UK for political purposes), but I think there's no hard limit and the Queen can dissolve it at any time (on the advice of the Prime Minister). I think there's laws saying it has to be within five years though.

Yeah, although the Queen would never dissolve parliament without 1st being asked to do-so by parliament itself, even though in principle she could.
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Old 06.17.2019, 08:44 PM   #566
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yeah i found the wikipedia that sez the hard limit is 5years after all



but otherwise, could boris keep going till 2022?

In theory yes. Even if he failed to deliver Brexit, if he somehow survived a vote of no confidence, he could run the full term.
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Old 06.17.2019, 08:49 PM   #567
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Yeah, although the Queen would never dissolve parliament without 1st being asked to do-so by parliament itself, even though in principle she could.

She's in her 90s now; how good would it be if, a week before she died, she did something insane just for shits and giggles?

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Old 06.17.2019, 08:59 PM   #568
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ah, yeah, fuck... a marxist pm lololol

what could trigger the general election? a no-confidence vote for boris?

any other thing? when does the term expire anyway? this government was formed in 2017 yeah? could it go on to 2022? so complicated..

As I've said, I think both Brexiteers and those wanting a Corbyn government both accept (if only privately) that the country would take a hit if either side came to power. But it does make me laugh when corbyn supporters go on about how Brexit would fuck the country's economy when most economic analysts I've read has said that yes, business fears Brexit but it fears a Corbyn government even more.
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Old 06.17.2019, 09:00 PM   #569
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She's in her 90s now; how good would it be if, a week before she died, she did something insane just for shits and giggles?

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Old 06.17.2019, 09:19 PM   #570
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Here's the worst case scenario from an economic standpoint: Boris gets no-deal through by suspending parliament. There's a revolt from both parties, a general election is called, Corbyn wins so we have him AND no deal.

 
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Here's the worst case scenario from an economic standpoint: Boris gets no-deal through by suspending parliament. There's a revolt from both parties, a general election is called, Corbyn wins so we have him AND no deal.

 
pound crashes to $.90 maybe

you know soros made megabillions by shorting the pound, yes?
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Old 06.20.2019, 02:02 PM   #572
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So it's (down to) Boris (or Jeremy Hunt).
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Old 06.21.2019, 07:36 AM   #573
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now mixed signals from europe on further delay extension (slovakia, ireland) but consensus seems unanimous on unchanging terms.
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As far as I know any further extension would require unanimous agreement from the other EU nations, so I can't see it.
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As far as I know any further extension would require unanimous agreement from the other EU nations, so I can't see it.
so what do you think boris could effectively accomplish?

threaten to walk away, trigger a no-confidence, end up with labor + revocation?
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I think a gen election is inevitable and the Tories are only interested in selecting a leader they think has the best chance against Corbyn. But until Corbyn comes off the fence, I see Labour continuing to haemorrhage votes to both the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party.
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I think a gen election is inevitable and the Tories are only interested in selecting a leader they think has the best chance against Corbyn. But until Corbyn comes off the fence, I see Labour continuing to haemorrhage votes to both the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party.
is there a viable way to boot out corbyn or is he lodged there like a cyst?
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He has a devoted following within the party membership but I wonder if even that's starting to grow impatient with him over this. But he's been deeply divisive from the start, both within his party and amongst voters. I'd say he has roughly the same strengths and weaknesses as Bernie Sanders has in the US.
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He has a devoted following within the party membership but I wonder if even that's starting to grow impatient with him over this. But he's been deeply divisive from the start, both within his party and amongst voters. I'd say he has roughly the same strengths and weaknesses as Bernie Sanders has in the US.
i donít see bernie clinching the nomination even on 2nd try. the moment biden jumped into the fray, warts and all, he took the lead by a large margin.

yes, bernie was surprisingly appealing on the fox townhall, but these celebrity contests require a much broader media appeal.

so... who is your labourís biden?
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Maybe Kier Starmer. Like the bulk of his fellow MPs and party membership he's very pro-Remain and could easily fit into the Lib Dems or arguably even the more moderate wing of the Tories. But the unique problem Labour has if it comes out as a Remain party is the risk of losing its northern working class heartland, that accounts for the majority of its constituencies and which tended to vote to Leave.
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