[ann ashtray]

"Don't take Christ out of Christmas"??? Ever hear anyone say this? Ever wonder where the "X" in "Xmas" came from in the first place? Some seem to believe it's a means of crossing Christ out of Christmas...I'm not so convinced this is always the case....

(Don't feel like rewording something someone else has already clearly explained. If in doubt, research....thankfully with the internet, which I'm assuming you all have, attending a university is not necessary to do this...OK, bad joke.)

"Xmas is not of modern coinage. The Oxford English Dictionary documents the use of this abbreviation back to 1551. Undoubtedly it was employed before that. Now 1551 is fifty years before the first English colonists came to America and sixty years earlier than the completion of the King James Version of the Bible! Moreover, at the same time, Xian and Xianity were in frequent use as abbreviations of Christian and Christianity.

You see, the X in Xmas did not originate as our English alphabet's X but as the symbol X in the Greek alphabet, called Chi. The Greek Chi or X is the first letter in the Greek word Christos. As early as the first century the X was used as Christ's initial. Certainly through church history we can trace this usage. In many manuscripts of the New Testament, X abbreviates Christos (Xristos). In ancient Christian art X and XR (Chi Ro--the first two letters in Greek of Christos abbreviate his name. We find that this practice entered the Old English language as early as AD 100. Devout believers used X as an abbreviation for Christ. Were they trying to take Christ away and substitute an unknown quantity? The idea is preposterous.

Some may use Xmas today as an unchristian shortcut for Christmas, but the ancient abbreviation by no means originated as such. The scribes who copied New Testament manuscripts had no intention of taking Christ out of the New Testament. They used the abbreviation simply to save time and space. We use abbreviations for the same purpose today, as witness FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, and a host of others. Xmas is a legitimate abbreviation. I do not use it because of the possible misunderstanding it often causes as a result of its misrepresentation or abuse. But by no means can the use of the abbreviation be a valid objection to the observance of Christmas itself! Is God against abbreviations?"

Of course, I enjoy and celebrate Christmas. And as I've made clear countless times, I do not believe in Jesus as my lord and personal savior. No need for me to celebrate his birthday. I enjoy Christmas, or "Xmas", as a means of fun and something to look forward to each year. Kids like it, my mom likes it, stores/homes typically smell better, and all the lights are really pretty.

[floatingslowly]

 

[noisereductions]

X X X X T T T T I I I N N A A

[knox]

Two guys are fighting outside and someone is making noodles.

[SONIC GAIL]

wow sway! This post is great! Thanks for the history on this.

It has bothered me when ppl use xmas. I'm not one of those preachin "don't take the christ out of christmas" I just take christ very seriously and do not prefer to abbreviate his name in a holiday dedicated to him. I also do not like to use te term "oh my god" or gosh unless I am really in need of god.

I think it is great that you still enjoy the holiday even though you are not into that shit. That is why it exists. It does not exist so we can start buying shit in september with candy canes on it. It is not a holiday originally intened to have entire commercial industries built around. Christmas makes me sad sometimes because it has turned into a crock of shit. THree months of being barraged with advertisements to buy crap they don't need to show your loved ones how much you care about them.

[SONIC GAIL]

Originally Posted by knox

Two guys are fighting outside and someone is making noodles.

Raman noodles?

[knox]

It started to smell like chicken broth or something now.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

X X X X T T T T I I I N N A A

I LOL'ed.

[floatingslowly]

this holiday season, my multidenominational household will be celebrating in various ways.

my wife will be dancing naked for Yule and I will most likely sacrifice a chicken (or perhaps, a Cornish game hen) in homage to my patron, Thee Great Elocution, Papa Legba Atibon.

I hope this helps.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

wow sway! This post is great! Thanks for the history on this.

It has bothered me when ppl use xmas. I'm not one of those preachin "don't take the christ out of christmas" I just take christ very seriously and do not prefer to abbreviate his name in a holiday dedicated to him. I also do not like to use te term "oh my god" or gosh unless I am really in need of god.

I think it is great that you still enjoy the holiday even though you are not into that shit. That is why it exists. It does not exist so we can start buying shit in september with candy canes on it. It is not a holiday originally intened to have entire commercial industries built around. Christmas makes me sad sometimes because it has turned into a crock of shit. THree months of being barraged with advertisements to buy crap they don't need to show your loved ones how much you care about them.

Oh, all that stuff bothers me too. Too many people dread it because of the amount of money they feel morally obligated to spend, when they should really only feel morally obligated to (hopefully...) have the day off with their family + have fun. That aspect of it is sad, I agree.

[SONIC GAIL]

Originally Posted by knox

It started to smell like chicken broth or something now.

chicken noodle soup...sounds good

[SONIC GAIL]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

this holiday season, my multidenominational household will be celebrating in various ways.

my wife will be dancing naked for Yule and I will most likely sacrifice a chicken (or perhaps, a Cornish game hen) in homage to my patron, Thee Great Elocution, Papa Legba Atibon.

I hope this helps.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to floatingslowly again.

[Savage Clone]

I would ratrher just eliminate it entirely.

[SONIC GAIL]

alot of ppl agree

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

I LOL'ed.

BIONIC is awesome. There's a song about oral w/ Nicki Minaj and another jam called "Sex For Breakfast," on the flipside "You Lost Me" might just be Xtina's most vocally accomplished ballad to date.

[knox]

I don't take Christ very seriously. Don't know if he'd like that.

 

[SONIC GAIL]

oh knoxy

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

You see, the X in Xmas did not originate as our English alphabet's X but as the symbol X in the Greek alphabet, called Chi. The Greek Chi or X is the first letter in the Greek word Christos. As early as the first century the X was used as Christ's initial. Certainly through church history we can trace this usage. In many manuscripts of the New Testament, X abbreviates Christos (Xristos). In ancient Christian art X and XR (Chi Ro--the first two letters in Greek of Christos abbreviate his name. We find that this practice entered the Old English language as early as AD 100. Devout believers used X as an abbreviation for Christ. Were they trying to take Christ away and substitute an unknown quantity? The idea is preposterous.

Some may use Xmas today as an unchristian shortcut for Christmas, but the ancient abbreviation by no means originated as such. The scribes who copied New Testament manuscripts had no intention of taking Christ out of the New Testament. They used the abbreviation simply to save time and space. We use abbreviations for the same purpose today, as witness FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, and a host of others. Xmas is a legitimate abbreviation. I do not use it because of the possible misunderstanding it often causes as a result of its misrepresentation or abuse. But by no means can the use of the abbreviation be a valid objection to the observance of Christmas itself! Is God against abbreviations?"

amen amen. welcome to biblical etymology, the only way to make sense of the Scriptures according to Saint Augustine

[SuperCreep]

the 'x' in 'xmas' is a substitute crucifix for christ...

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by SuperCreep

the 'x' in 'xmas' is a substitute crucifix for christ...

thanks -- the rest of us just went ahead and read that in THE FIRST POST instead of skipping down to yrs.