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Old 04.22.2018, 09:52 AM   #50601
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Magic Whip was great. Why do you hope they leave it at that, though?

I dunno. Just felt like it was a good way to end the Blur name after the letdown that was Think Tank.
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Old 04.22.2018, 10:10 AM   #50602
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yeah everything from the lumberjack look to everything was very west coast. people were moving from ny to seattle lol. don’t know about references—always been weak on lyrics.

i remember late 90s the big thing that came out of england was the... what’s the name of victoria beckham band? girls gone wild something. and some blur/oasis competition apparently? i forget things.

again— not talking about music that was interesting to me, but more about mass culture. in the 2000s rock’s response to hiphop supremacy was—nickelback lololol.

Well Brit-Pop was a contrived backlash against that very American-ness felt to be dominating British pop culture in the early 90s, but was just as parochial. But it's also true that Britain had been through Acid House in the late 80s which was absorbed by the more interesting British bands at the time. MBV's Loveless was definitely informed by that scene.
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Old 04.22.2018, 10:35 AM   #50603
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i see.

btw, reason i mentioned mass cuture is because as we all know well (but often forget) art has always followed money— from ancient athens to the renaissance to new york in the 50s. economics is not nothing. art follows the same laws.

and yes yes, the evil mainstream, bla bla— but a rising tide lifts all boats. fringes are fed from the center.

anyway, for science, i was just doing an experiment—

tried playing some nickelback. was overcome by vomit. you can hear what they took and sanitized from “grunge” (whatever that is). and it’s just unlistenable nasty. i’d rather drink lysol. just fucking NO.

but then i put on the slim shady LP (i have it on right now) and i’m not blown away in any way but it’s entertaining and funny and i’m gonna play the rest of it.

btw, there was a line there about which one of the spice girls he wanted to impregnate—nothing parochial about such global fantasies.
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Old 04.22.2018, 11:06 AM   #50604
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Baby Spice, I think it was.

But yeah, The Spice Girls were just a novelty act marketed as representing the pure pop angle of a perceived upturn in British culture (Trainspotting, Damien Hirst, Pulp/Blur/Oasis/Suede, Alexander McQueen, David Beckham, etc.). It was all a bit silly, and cynically hijacked by Tony Blair as part of his whole 'Cool Britannia' thing, but in balance it was a lot of fun, and did reflect a certain confidence/optimism in the country at the time. Certainly compared with where we are now.
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Old 04.22.2018, 11:17 AM   #50605
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This conversation is good stuff.

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Old 04.22.2018, 12:36 PM   #50606
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Well Brit-Pop was a contrived backlash against that very American-ness felt to be dominating British pop culture in the early 90s, but was just as parochial. But it's also true that Britain had been through Acid House in the late 80s which was absorbed by the more interesting British bands at the time. MBV's Loveless was definitely informed by that scene.

You think it was contrived? I figured it was a very natural reaction for british bands to do.

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Funny you should mention that album. I was actually thinking about the single Guilty Conscience the other day. I remember that coming out on single and buying it. However, for all the stuff he released in that period that's never talked about, and to my knowledge played by him.

Just give it a whirl now. The bit about raping a 15 year old is probably why.
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Old 04.22.2018, 01:23 PM   #50607
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Funny you should mention that album. I was actually thinking about the single Guilty Conscience the other day. I remember that coming out on single and buying it. However, for all the stuff he released in that period that's never talked about, and to my knowledge played by him.

Just give it a whirl now. The bit about raping a 15 year old is probably why.

aw fuck thanks for ruining my morning dude lol

see, this is why i never could get into hiphop, and never bought any with exceptions like public enemy or some jazz hybrids— the whole me me me bitches-and-money cult of violence. the more i understand the lyrics, the less i like it. & on & on & on.

now this! i had to go and google the lyrics because i didn’t know wtf he was talking about and sure enough i look and say “i was listening to this!” but completely ignorant of what had been said (i did pick up the impregnating a spice girl bit though).

so, anyway, moral problems aside, thanks to my bad ear for english & dialects i can say with certainty that the best-selling hiphop artist of the 00’ decade was musically tons more interesting than the best selling rock band of the same era. no question.

this is just to say, again, again, again, that there’s been a changing of the guard in music, and psychopathy aside, you can tangibly hear why. detroit psychopaths make better music than “nice” canadians.

(actually i dont know if nickelback has psychopatic or “nice” lyrics—it just sounds fucking terrible. TERRIBLE.)
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You think it was contrived? I figured it was a very natural reaction for british bands to do.

To begin with maybe but it quickly became a marketing and (for New Labour) political tool.

One thing I'll say in favour of Grunge is it never let itself become co-opted by the White House.

 
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Old 04.22.2018, 06:03 PM   #50609
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Old 04.22.2018, 06:05 PM   #50610
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Old 04.22.2018, 07:37 PM   #50611
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Old 04.23.2018, 09:35 AM   #50612
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so it looks like not ALL of drag city is on spottifried— yet, anyway

was looking for joanna newsom’s albums yesterday and found none

i am however listening to white magic right now. i have this beautiful vinyl somewhere in some vault but now i don’t have to pine after it because it’s heavy and unwieldy and needs a unitasker to play it

 


anyway pitchfork has an article about the drag city streamables but i didn’t wanna bother reading it. now i’ll have to...
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Old 04.23.2018, 10:29 AM   #50613
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All I know is Smog is there so that'll keep me busy revisiting those albums for a while.

Oooh and both Loose Fur albums.
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Old 04.23.2018, 12:24 PM   #50614
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Carpenter Brut - Trilogy
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oh, joanna newsom hates bananas lol

https://pitchfork.com/news/drag-city...ify-and-tidal/

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i hear 80s synths!
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Never could get into this one myself. The riffs have reminded me of Creed since Creed came out.
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Never could get into this one myself. The riffs have reminded me of Creed since Creed came out.

Um you sure you're thinking of Diary? I can't hear anything on this that would remind you of Creed?
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