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Old 10.19.2018, 10:22 AM   #5041
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Saudi monarchy totalitarian, best bud of USA. We sell them arms, rich WMD manufacturers make millions, while they enforce the most brutal religious dictatorship they can. fucking assholes all of them.
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Old 10.19.2018, 11:12 AM   #5042
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I think where I'm wrong making links between Britain and the US (via Brexit and Trump) is that while race obviously plays a part in British politics, and an increasingly bigger part by the looks of things, i'd say it's still far less significant and divisive here than it seems to be in the USA.
i dont know comparisons

but consider how, when obama became president, his opponents questioned what above all else?

his identity, of course

i.e., they branded him the kenyan muslim socialist

meaning if you’re not white and christian you’re not american

(he was christian though at that point, and “half white”. lol blood quanta)

the socialism bit was just for decoration. he basically implemented nixoncare.

that’s very telling, no?

i mean half century ago there was the issue of kennedy’s catholicism, but it wasn’t as ferocious or demented because the man was white.
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Old 10.19.2018, 11:27 AM   #5043
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Saudi monarchy totalitarian, best bud of USA. We sell them arms, rich WMD manufacturers make millions, while they enforce the most brutal religious dictatorship they can. fucking assholes all of them.

don't forget they are attacking one of the weakest countries in the world, using our arms and with air and fuel support by our planes
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Old 10.19.2018, 02:59 PM   #5044
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Saudi monarchy totalitarian, best bud of USA. We sell them arms, rich WMD manufacturers make millions, while they enforce the most brutal religious dictatorship they can. fucking assholes all of them.

The United States relationship with the Saudi regime isn’t the most palatable, however, they are our ally......why?

Saudi Arabia hates Iran and are actively fighting them along w/ Jordan & Egypt.

Iran is a threat to the Middle East......especially Israel.

There is no doubt Saudi Arabia is doing terrible things, but they were the United States ally in the first Gulf War and World War 2 and the Saudis are helping us now by keeping Iran in check.

In the choice between bad (Saudi Arabia) and worse (Iran), a rational person/country will choose bad just to avoid worse.
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Old 10.19.2018, 03:42 PM   #5045
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The United States relationship with the Saudi regime isn’t the most palatable, however, they are our ally......why?

Saudi Arabia hates Iran and are actively fighting them along w/ Jordan & Egypt.

Iran is a threat to the Middle East......especially Israel.

There is no doubt Saudi Arabia is doing terrible things, but they were the United States ally in the first Gulf War and World War 2 and the Saudis are helping us now by keeping Iran in check.

In the choice between bad (Saudi Arabia) and worse (Iran), a rational person/country will choose bad just to avoid worse.

Thanks for the laughs here.

America helped fund the coup that shifted Iran from a liberal country that it was to what it is now. All cos of oil. It's because of America that they're the totalitarian state it is now.

Along with that Saudi Arabia's human rights record is consistently considered one of the worst countries. They're no better than Iran and you're a fool if you think Saudi Arabia is just "bad". And don't forget their acceptance of jihadists and that the perpetrators of 9/11 were from there.
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Old 10.19.2018, 04:20 PM   #5046
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All 100% true!

Not a laughing matter......a true and ever present evil!

But some here don’t believe in evil.

Reality is horrible atrocities occur in Muslim countries everyday. Individuals pulled out of their homes or stopped in the streets and beheaded or tortured to death......we don’t hear about the majority of them.

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Thanks for the laughs here.

America helped fund the coup that shifted Iran from a liberal country that it was to what it is now. All cos of oil. It's because of America that they're the totalitarian state it is now.

Along with that Saudi Arabia's human rights record is consistently considered one of the worst countries. They're no better than Iran and you're a fool if you think Saudi Arabia is just "bad". And don't forget their acceptance of jihadists and that the perpetrators of 9/11 were from there.
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Old 10.19.2018, 05:03 PM   #5047
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All 100% true!

Not a laughing matter......a true and ever present evil!

But some here don’t believe in evil.

Reality is horrible atrocities occur in Muslim countries everyday. Individuals pulled out of their homes or stopped in the streets and beheaded or tortured to death......we don’t hear about the majority of them.
the problem with “evil” is that it’s always someone else with some religious types

it’s never introspection, it’s always scapegoating. like witch burnings

the guy just told you we fucked up iran and your response is

“but evil muslims”

smh

here, read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953..._coup_d%27état
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the problem with “evil” is that it’s always someone else with some religious types

it’s never introspection, it’s always scapegoating. like witch burnings

the guy just told you we fucked up iran and your response is

“but evil muslims”

smh

here, read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953..._coup_d%27état
you know what’s evil?

denial

self-righteousness

scapegoating
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Old 10.19.2018, 05:39 PM   #5049
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By the by, even though Iran is a repressive theocratic dictatorship and the ayatollahs can go fuck a goat, nowadays is just almost akin to the U.S.'s goddamn Bible Belt (without the guns) compared to the MEDIEVAL fuckedupness that is Saudi Arabia. Check their policies on the role of women in society, for starters. For decades we've been told the lie that Shia = completely psychotic mass murderers while Sunni = moderates who get jiggy with the West. Don't have to tell ya that that bullshit doesn't exactly square with the events of the past 20 years, do I.
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Old 10.19.2018, 06:17 PM   #5050
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Old 10.20.2018, 12:41 PM   #5051
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i call it the corollary this person calls it the end, same difference—the monster is out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hern-strategy/

please note that the article correctly points out that for the majority of american history politics was OVERTLY racist.

Agreed.

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in other words: the promise of the enlightenment was delivered only to one ethnic group

(because, as previously: passion enslaves reason, affect creates cognitive bias)

yes yes. we’re fucked as a species.

another chance thrown out the window

Not so fast: The post Civil War Amendments and subsequent civil rights legislation did much to extend the promise of the enlightenment to everyone. African-Americans have been fully enfranchised for over half a century now (the current Republican racial gerrymandering is before the courts, and there is now precedent in US Supreme Court decisions for overturning biased maps), and gays and trans people have always been able to vote and speak. Who is excluded now?

I agree with your views on your solution #2, but there also seems to be a lot of dramatic kicking at doors that are already open. The idea of the supremacy of the individual is necessary to the fundamental concept of human rights, with the possibility of Tyranny of the Majority being already dealt with via the Constitution's counter-majoritarian machinery (one part of which, the Electoral College, recently saved the vital concerns of (nearly) half the country from being drowned out by the loud and crowded coasts (in other words, it ended their silencing and gave them a voice, in Multi-Cultist terminology)). Keep the experiment rolling, but, as you said, don't bring the whole house down.
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Not so fast: The post Civil War Amendments and subsequent civil rights legislation did much to extend the promise of the enlightenment to everyone.

hahahahahhahahaaaaa

the post civil war amendments and jim crow, redlining, imprisonment of japanese americans, the tuskeegee experiment...

civil rights and the government pumping heroin and crack into black neighborhoods

hahahahahahaha

yes please tell me more about how black people have full equality in america.

come ON.

you can’t be so out of touch, can you?

be serious

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African-Americans have been fully enfranchised for over half a century now (the current Republican racial gerrymandering is before the courts, and there is now precedent in US Supreme Court decisions for overturning biased maps),

oh, all of half a century! after all those amendments! minus the gerrymandering of course. yeah. freedom...

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and gays and trans people have always been able to vote and speak. Who is excluded now?

“gays” as you say, are not yet treated as full human beings and still lack civil rights in many states

same sex unions are not even two decades old!

transgender people are barely coming out of hiding and into safety for the first time and are promptly getting pummeled by the reactionaries

from this morning’s nyt

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/u...gtype=Homepage


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I agree with your views on your solution #2, but there also seems to be a lot of dramatic kicking at doors that are already open.

i understand the dramatics and can tolerate them or support them because the doors are not open, or open to a brick wall, or slam your head over and over when you try to cross them

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The idea of the supremacy of the individual is necessary to the fundamental concept of human rights, with the possibility of Tyranny of the Majority being already dealt with via the Constitution's counter-majoritarian machinery (one part of which, the Electoral College, recently saved the vital concerns of (nearly) half the country from being drowned out by the loud and crowded coasts (in other words, it ended their silencing and gave them a voice, in Multi-Cultist terminology)).

if this means that working class whites embraced identity politics and started acting like an ethnic block, yes i agree

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Keep the experiment rolling, but, as you said, don't bring the whole house down.

you mean don’t open the front door to colored women because they already have a service entrance in the back?

the dramatics and kicking at doors that you complain about are what keep the experiment rolling. it’s the only thing that’s ever worked.

olympic detachment is a sign at the door saying “we’re closed”
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you can’t be so out of touch, can you?

be serious


The key question in all of this.

Of course he'll do the classic "just ignore the post and bring up something else"
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i dont know comparisons

but consider how, when obama became president, his opponents questioned what above all else?

his identity, of course

i.e., they branded him the kenyan muslim socialist

meaning if you’re not white and christian you’re not american

(he was christian though at that point, and “half white”. lol blood quanta)

the socialism bit was just for decoration. he basically implemented nixoncare.

that’s very telling, no?

i mean half century ago there was the issue of kennedy’s catholicism, but it wasn’t as ferocious or demented because the man was white.

I think in England the more decisive social separator is class. Race is still an issue, obviously... Brits basically invented modern racism.. but class seems to be the bigger issue over there. People seem to be looked up/down to based on their dialect, education level, region and economic heritage. Maybe I’m wrong. Haven’t spent a ton of time in the U.K., and not in many years.
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