Does anyone here shoot in super8 or 8mm?

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 02:58 AM

In the next couple of months I will be playing around with shooting in both formats and I'd love to get some advice if any of you regularly do this. There is a group/club in my state but I wont really be processing until the month after so wont really be able to ask them any questions.

Super 8 will be first as its less costly for the stock but the same price to process... But I want to shoot both so tips with either would be great.

I have access to these film stocks at the moment; (note no velvia or 100+ colour stock..)

Super 8 Ektachrome 64t

160PUSH Ektachrome 64t in a cartridge specially notched for push processing by nano lab to 160 asa tungsten

Super8 Plus-X (7265)
Black and White 100 asa reversal.
Gives even finer results exposed as 50asa

Super 8 Tri-X (7266)
Black and White 200 asa reversal.

Standard 8mm 25' Ektachrome 100d

Standard 8mm 25' Cine-x (Plus-x 7265)
Black and White 100 asa reversal. Gives even finer results exposed as 50asa

Double Super8 Un54 Black and White
(100asa as neg, 200asa as reversal)

Double Super8 Ektachrome 100d now available in 25' and 100'.

what do you think ?

and what is the double super8?

terminal pharmacy · 03.20.2009, 07:13 AM

tokolosh is your man if he is still around, haven't seen him here for a bit

akprodr · 03.20.2009, 09:04 AM

Sorry to be a snob, but after I worked with 35mm, 16 felt extremely tiny. I just couldn't imagine doing 8mm. Of course, I guess no one actually edits 8mm anymore--just transfers it to video.

But the question is, what do you want to do? Each of those films has a particular use. Obviously the first question is color vs. b&w. Then light level or grain structure.

floatingslowly · 03.20.2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by akprodr

16 felt extremely tiny.

fighting...
fighting...
losing...
lost...

"that's what she said".

ok. right. coffee is done. off to check my email for nipples.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by akprodr

Sorry to be a snob, but after I worked with 35mm, 16 felt extremely tiny. I just couldn't imagine doing 8mm. Of course, I guess no one actually edits 8mm anymore--just transfers it to video.

But the question is, what do you want to do? Each of those films has a particular use. Obviously the first question is color vs. b&w. Then light level or grain structure.

you can be a snob all you like I dont mind. Wont really give me the money for the film or equipment for 35 though. I've never edited or filmed with 35mm. The closest I've come is lifted a 35mm movie reel to load into a projector...that was heavy as fuck!

I want to use 8 because I have access to equipment, and now film stock.. And because I dig the grottyness and comparitively low quality look. I dont want to make huge movies, just capture some random fun footage. No I wouldn't edit. Could but it would be pointless really, I'd be happy with the reels as is. Then transfered to video.

Id like to shoot in both colour and black and white. More interested in lighting for best results. I'm guessing that it is all outdoor day time only? or large amounts of studio light? I'm aware that grain is going to be an issue because of the size of the film but as I said up there the grungy style of the film is partly what is appealing so don't really mind as long as exposure is alright.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 09:27 AM

point form writing. is all I can manage. it seems. ??

anyway your snobbery is welcome if it can help me.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly

fighting...
fighting...
losing...
lost...

"that's what she said".

ok. right. coffee is done. off to check my email for nipples.

no turning my nerdy film thread into cock jokes.

akprodr · 03.20.2009, 09:40 AM

I'd never heard of double super 8 so I looked it up on wikipedia--its 16mm film with 8mm sprockets--you seem to need a special camera. You load it on one pass and then reverse it for the second pass. It gets split into two regular 8mm pieces on developing.

Otherwise, it sounds like you've answered your own question. Get some of each and shoot it and see what it looks like.

Do you have a digital camera that has ASA settings? You can use that to see how much light you need for the 8mm. Do you have the camera and know how fast the lens is and what shutter speeds are available?

The 200 or 160 should do available light reasonably well.

This was a long time ago but I'm pretty sure it was shot on plus x (100asa) with two mongo (1kw) lights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzRHySNtf0o

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 10:05 AM

says video no longer available??

I dont have the camera at the moment, it's packed up in storage. One of them is one of the first canons, the other I think is a hanimex but I honestly dont remember. There are two but Im sure that neither takes 16mm.

wow how silly am I, yeh I do have digi SLR.. okay so if I'm checking exposure ordinary 64 is just as it is.. if its to be push processed I just check exposure as if it were ordinary 160, or whatever it is being compensated to? Or is it better to be a little on the over exposed side for that?

akprodr · 03.20.2009, 10:25 AM

Huh! I guess my clicking on it alerted the copyright police... It was a very 80's rendition of Laurie Anderson's Excellant Birds.

Yeah, you got the idea of checking exposure--except that it would be a lot more useful if you knew the speed of the lens and shutter speeds. If'n ya know the names, I'm sure you can look it up.

I don't know about over/under exposing--it probably depends on the stock. I guess I'd tend to a little under exposing. For your porpoises, probably doesn't matter too much.

!@#$%! · 03.20.2009, 12:04 PM

i havent heard of double super 8 but of double 8 which was 16mm split in half. ancient cameras. i have a handful of those on a shelf.

i was gonna use (super)16mm ektachrome in an upcoming project and have it scanned to HD but it's hard to find a cinematographer and it's pricey anyway and blah blah blah so i'm shooting it straight to HD.

ayawawayayawawa.

super8 development will likely include transfer to video so you could actually edit in a NLE.

!@#$%! · 03.20.2009, 12:07 PM

ps the ektachrome will give you lovely saturated colors if well exposed-- otherwise it will be all washed out . so get yr meter.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

super8 development will likely include transfer to video so you could actually edit in a NLE.

it doesnt,

(guess there just arent many places left here that do it, so I get what I'm given) but I can have it done as an extra option. Will probably opt to have a go at xfer myself though. Through frame by frame and filming projections with speed slowed down/up to fit into fps.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ps the ektachrome will give you lovely saturated colors if well exposed-- otherwise it will be all washed out . so get yr meter.

ah okay neat. This is kind of what I was asking too... I know EXACTLY what most brands of still film will do to colour saturation and overall quality look in all light conditions.. but have NO IDEA for this kind of thing. thankyou!

pbradley · 03.20.2009, 08:11 PM

I was pretty good at photography until I learned I needed to own my own camera.

Like always, I know nothing of the technical details.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 08:36 PM

come in to the dark room with me

I'll show you.

pbradley · 03.20.2009, 08:39 PM

No, I'm still scarred by that one scene in Ghostbuster 2.

phoenix · 03.20.2009, 08:39 PM

pft.

Norma J · 03.20.2009, 09:10 PM

where did you get the film from?

I remember making a thread about this a while back and, yeah, Tokolosh was the man to speak to. I remember him saying it's rather awfully expensive and hard to actually find a place to process the film. Not to mention you only get 3 minutes of filming per roll, making it time consuming aswell as costly.

BUT! if you find out more, I'd surely like to be informed, too. My gf's dad owns a super 8 camera in perfect condition, so I have a camera (and perhaps film) accessible to me that I'd still like to play with.

!@#$%! · 03.20.2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix

it doesnt,

(guess there just arent many places left here that do it, so I get what I'm given) but I can have it done as an extra option. Will probably opt to have a go at xfer myself though. Through frame by frame and filming projections with speed slowed down/up to fit into fps.

telecine for super8 can be pretty cheap as there are many homemade solutions-- people have rigged some cool low-cost scanners. worth trying as it lets you edit.

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Originally Posted by phoenix

ah okay neat. This is kind of what I was asking too... I know EXACTLY what most brands of still film will do to colour saturation and overall quality look in all light conditions.. but have NO IDEA for this kind of thing. thankyou!

i notice majority of your films are reversal-- the ektachrome of course is too. this means you get a positive copy and there's no need to make a negative and a working copy but you watch your film directly. like slides. ive never tried b/w reversal, but color is awesome.

you can also cross-process for weird effect (process reversal as negative or viceversa).

k gtg

03.20.2009, 02:58 AM	#1
phoenix invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: the future where it's hot and dark Posts: 5,926	In the next couple of months I will be playing around with shooting in both formats and I'd love to get some advice if any of you regularly do this. There is a group/club in my state but I wont really be processing until the month after so wont really be able to ask them any questions. Super 8 will be first as its less costly for the stock but the same price to process... But I want to shoot both so tips with either would be great. I have access to these film stocks at the moment; (note no velvia or 100+ colour stock..) Super 8 Ektachrome 64t 160PUSH Ektachrome 64t in a cartridge specially notched for push processing by nano lab to 160 asa tungsten Super8 Plus-X (7265) Black and White 100 asa reversal. Gives even finer results exposed as 50asa Super 8 Tri-X (7266) Black and White 200 asa reversal. Standard 8mm 25' Ektachrome 100d Standard 8mm 25' Cine-x (Plus-x 7265) Black and White 100 asa reversal. Gives even finer results exposed as 50asa Double Super8 Un54 Black and White (100asa as neg, 200asa as reversal) Double Super8 Ektachrome 100d now available in 25' and 100'. what do you think ? and what is the double super8? __________________ tiny and lost.
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03.20.2009, 07:13 AM	#2
terminal pharmacy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,358	tokolosh is your man if he is still around, haven't seen him here for a bit
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03.20.2009, 09:04 AM	#3
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	Sorry to be a snob, but after I worked with 35mm, 16 felt extremely tiny. I just couldn't imagine doing 8mm. Of course, I guess no one actually edits 8mm anymore--just transfers it to video. But the question is, what do you want to do? Each of those films has a particular use. Obviously the first question is color vs. b&w. Then light level or grain structure. __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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03.20.2009, 09:27 AM	#6
phoenix invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: the future where it's hot and dark Posts: 5,926	point form writing. is all I can manage. it seems. ?? anyway your snobbery is welcome if it can help me. __________________ tiny and lost.
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03.20.2009, 09:40 AM	#8
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	I'd never heard of double super 8 so I looked it up on wikipedia--its 16mm film with 8mm sprockets--you seem to need a special camera. You load it on one pass and then reverse it for the second pass. It gets split into two regular 8mm pieces on developing. Otherwise, it sounds like you've answered your own question. Get some of each and shoot it and see what it looks like. Do you have a digital camera that has ASA settings? You can use that to see how much light you need for the 8mm. Do you have the camera and know how fast the lens is and what shutter speeds are available? The 200 or 160 should do available light reasonably well. This was a long time ago but I'm pretty sure it was shot on plus x (100asa) with two mongo (1kw) lights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzRHySNtf0o __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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03.20.2009, 10:05 AM	#9
phoenix invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: the future where it's hot and dark Posts: 5,926	says video no longer available?? I dont have the camera at the moment, it's packed up in storage. One of them is one of the first canons, the other I think is a hanimex but I honestly dont remember. There are two but Im sure that neither takes 16mm. wow how silly am I, yeh I do have digi SLR.. okay so if I'm checking exposure ordinary 64 is just as it is.. if its to be push processed I just check exposure as if it were ordinary 160, or whatever it is being compensated to? Or is it better to be a little on the over exposed side for that? __________________ tiny and lost.
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03.20.2009, 10:25 AM	#10
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	Huh! I guess my clicking on it alerted the copyright police... It was a very 80's rendition of Laurie Anderson's Excellant Birds. Yeah, you got the idea of checking exposure--except that it would be a lot more useful if you knew the speed of the lens and shutter speeds. If'n ya know the names, I'm sure you can look it up. I don't know about over/under exposing--it probably depends on the stock. I guess I'd tend to a little under exposing. For your porpoises, probably doesn't matter too much. __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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03.20.2009, 12:04 PM	#11
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,466	i havent heard of double super 8 but of double 8 which was 16mm split in half. ancient cameras. i have a handful of those on a shelf. i was gonna use (super)16mm ektachrome in an upcoming project and have it scanned to HD but it's hard to find a cinematographer and it's pricey anyway and blah blah blah so i'm shooting it straight to HD. ayawawayayawawa. super8 development will likely include transfer to video so you could actually edit in a NLE.
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03.20.2009, 12:07 PM	#12
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,466	ps the ektachrome will give you lovely saturated colors if well exposed-- otherwise it will be all washed out . so get yr meter.
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03.20.2009, 08:11 PM	#15
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I was pretty good at photography until I learned I needed to own my own camera. Like always, I know nothing of the technical details.
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03.20.2009, 08:36 PM	#16
phoenix invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: the future where it's hot and dark Posts: 5,926	come in to the dark room with me I'll show you. __________________ tiny and lost.
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03.20.2009, 08:39 PM	#17
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	No, I'm still scarred by that one scene in Ghostbuster 2.
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03.20.2009, 08:39 PM	#18
phoenix invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: the future where it's hot and dark Posts: 5,926	pft. __________________ tiny and lost.
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03.20.2009, 09:10 PM	#19
Norma J invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orstralia Posts: 4,917	where did you get the film from? I remember making a thread about this a while back and, yeah, Tokolosh was the man to speak to. I remember him saying it's rather awfully expensive and hard to actually find a place to process the film. Not to mention you only get 3 minutes of filming per roll, making it time consuming aswell as costly. BUT! if you find out more, I'd surely like to be informed, too. My gf's dad owns a super 8 camera in perfect condition, so I have a camera (and perhaps film) accessible to me that I'd still like to play with. __________________ I want girls with new-wave hair-doos
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