The Fall entourage

M_emmett · 01.27.2007, 02:26 PM

Anyone have any theories on why The Fall change their lineup so often? I have been wondering this for while, any feedback would be appreciated.

finding nobody · 01.27.2007, 02:33 PM

Mark E Smith was once arrested for assault in 1998.

Glice · 01.27.2007, 02:36 PM

I imagine it's very difficult to keep musicians playing ostensibly simple things for any length of time. You ever tried to get a guitarist to not solo? Impossible.

porkmarras · 01.27.2007, 02:41 PM

The man himself explained it very well on an interview tha was on The Wire (if memory serves me well).He said that musicians generally start developing a musician big ego after a while and they have to go.Suits them well especially if they are not that capable to work under brilliant supervision.

Toilet & Bowels · 01.27.2007, 02:48 PM

yeah, but mark e smith seems happy to employ any assortment of pubrockers he can his hands on these days. when was the last time the fall had a member who distinguished himself on his or her chosen instrument?

Glice · 01.27.2007, 03:26 PM

Well, that depends on what you like. I really like Eleni's keyboarding, I enjoyed Julia Nagle's contribution, that violinist chap was great (extricate era?), the guitarist whose name might be Neville I enjoyed. Either he's never had distinguished instrumentalists or he always has them, depends on how/ what you're listening for/ to.

Toilet & Bowels · 01.27.2007, 03:38 PM

yeah but compare something like dragnet to any of the records for the last few years and the level of imigination in the playing, it's not even funny.

Glice · 01.27.2007, 04:04 PM

I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you there, Mr Bowels. I can't be bothered to articulate myself, but I do strongly disagree.

Toilet & Bowels · 01.27.2007, 04:10 PM

really? the new fall (i haven't heard the new new fall, country and western bar band or whatever it is) is alright but it's hardly more than a vehicle for mark e smith to recite words over.

Glice · 01.27.2007, 04:15 PM

I think maybe they're further away from any single instrument standing out, but the arrangements are pretty amazing on a lot of the modern stuff - the whole of Levitate, Ibis Afro Man from Are you are..., the use of melodic instruments for 'rock' drum parts on Sparta, the bassline off Blindness...
- maybe it's not all of their songs, but it's not something that's entirely absent.

Thomas Moronic · 01.28.2007, 05:50 AM

I've read a few interviews where MES talks makes an analogy of himself being like a football manager and feeling the need to "rotate his squad". He's also said stuff along the lines of seeing The Fall as something that needs to constanty change and move forward. Also, I can't imagine him being the easiest person to work with for long periods of time. Personally I've been really impressed with recent Fall stuff; I thought Fall Heads Roll was a great album - I've not heard the brand new one yet though. I saw the latest lineup a couple of months back in Birmingham and I thought it was one of the strongest Fall shows I've been to in quite some time.

I found this interview with Ben Pritchard (who played on Heads Roll) about how he left the group. I found it pretty interesting, as it kinda shows another side to the story:
http://www.visi.com/fall/news/pritchardint2006.html

PAULYBEE2656 · 01.28.2007, 06:17 AM

the new fall albums. country on the click, the unutterable, fall heads roll and reformation post tlc are some of the strongest and musically proficent albums the fall have ever done. its not right comparing fall albumns from 20 odd years ago to todays or even the 80s ones. as john peel said, the fall are always different but always the fall.

the last line up mark had (country/ heads roll) is probably the best line up he ever had and im countuing the mark riley, craig scanlon line up. awesome riffs an music. an so what if he decided to use pub bands so what. its the fall for fuck sake not radiohead!!!!

as for the question of line up changes, mark may have said its to keep egos in check but the real reason is tha mark is a cantankerous git and slightly mad and he will just break up a band when he feels like it. being in the fall must be like being a tightrope waker, exciting and amazing but one little slip up and youre fucked..........

here is the bbc4 film about the fall, this may answer questions. 6 minute youtube segments....
1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Ff-7ui9BY
2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4bP568Yrfs
3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRyiNVsN10
4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNiZz3FwuYk
5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9DRt6q72c
6http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6l8otkX3M
7http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj2Tiqyrpk8
8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6qryrkmo5Y
9http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECdKZC4_3zE

Thomas Moronic · 01.28.2007, 06:28 AM

Hey - thanks for posting the links to the documentary. I saw it the second time it was shown on TV, but wasn't able to record it at the time. Cheers!

Toilet & Bowels · 01.28.2007, 09:06 AM

you're all mad the lot of you. blinded by deafness.

Glice · 01.28.2007, 10:00 AM

Thus spake the non-musician.

Toilet & Bowels · 01.28.2007, 10:08 AM

i'm really surprised you all think the new fall is as good as the old fall. i'm not saying the new fall stuff is bad, just that it's kind of workmanlike

sun city girl · 01.28.2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

i'm really surprised you all think the new fall is as good as the old fall. i'm not saying the new fall stuff is bad, just that it's kind of workmanlike

whatever... i think the new one is great and so was the last one... i think it's good that the lineup changes, it keeps the sound fresh. the fall are probably the best band in the world right now.

PAULYBEE2656 · 01.28.2007, 10:24 AM

blindness indeed---- but on jools holland. this rocks in a workmanlike way!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We_mND4HpTg

and for comparison
smile------- on the tube with jools holland and john peel 1983
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNRGBpyhYW4

Toilet & Bowels · 01.28.2007, 10:37 AM

history will vindicate me!

porkmarras · 01.28.2007, 10:41 AM

Blah Blah Blah.

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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,217	yeah, but mark e smith seems happy to employ any assortment of pubrockers he can his hands on these days. when was the last time the fall had a member who distinguished himself on his or her chosen instrument?
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,217	yeah but compare something like dragnet to any of the records for the last few years and the level of imigination in the playing, it's not even funny.
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,217	really? the new fall (i haven't heard the new new fall, country and western bar band or whatever it is) is alright but it's hardly more than a vehicle for mark e smith to recite words over.
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01.28.2007, 05:50 AM	#11
Thomas Moronic bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wolverhampton, UK Posts: 149	I've read a few interviews where MES talks makes an analogy of himself being like a football manager and feeling the need to "rotate his squad". He's also said stuff along the lines of seeing The Fall as something that needs to constanty change and move forward. Also, I can't imagine him being the easiest person to work with for long periods of time. Personally I've been really impressed with recent Fall stuff; I thought Fall Heads Roll was a great album - I've not heard the brand new one yet though. I saw the latest lineup a couple of months back in Birmingham and I thought it was one of the strongest Fall shows I've been to in quite some time. I found this interview with Ben Pritchard (who played on Heads Roll) about how he left the group. I found it pretty interesting, as it kinda shows another side to the story: http://www.visi.com/fall/news/pritchardint2006.html __________________ Blog
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PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	the new fall albums. country on the click, the unutterable, fall heads roll and reformation post tlc are some of the strongest and musically proficent albums the fall have ever done. its not right comparing fall albumns from 20 odd years ago to todays or even the 80s ones. as john peel said, the fall are always different but always the fall. the last line up mark had (country/ heads roll) is probably the best line up he ever had and im countuing the mark riley, craig scanlon line up. awesome riffs an music. an so what if he decided to use pub bands so what. its the fall for fuck sake not radiohead!!!! as for the question of line up changes, mark may have said its to keep egos in check but the real reason is tha mark is a cantankerous git and slightly mad and he will just break up a band when he feels like it. being in the fall must be like being a tightrope waker, exciting and amazing but one little slip up and youre fucked.......... here is the bbc4 film about the fall, this may answer questions. 6 minute youtube segments.... 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Ff-7ui9BY 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4bP568Yrfs 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRyiNVsN10 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNiZz3FwuYk 5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9DRt6q72c 6http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6l8otkX3M 7http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj2Tiqyrpk8 8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6qryrkmo5Y 9http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECdKZC4_3zE __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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Thomas Moronic bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wolverhampton, UK Posts: 149	Hey - thanks for posting the links to the documentary. I saw it the second time it was shown on TV, but wasn't able to record it at the time. Cheers! __________________ Blog
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,217	you're all mad the lot of you. blinded by deafness.
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,217	i'm really surprised you all think the new fall is as good as the old fall. i'm not saying the new fall stuff is bad, just that it's kind of workmanlike
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PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	blindness indeed---- but on jools holland. this rocks in a workmanlike way! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We_mND4HpTg and for comparison smile------- on the tube with jools holland and john peel 1983 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNRGBpyhYW4 __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,217	history will vindicate me!
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