[knox]

Possibly. The most common type of crime is fraud, but you don't see me shooting executives in banks.

[chicka]

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

You'd be surprised how many of us have them just as a means of excercising our right to carry one. This is the only reason why I've ever considered getting one.

Others, just think collecting them is fun....kinda like artifacts. No different than others who choose to collect records or stamps. For better or worse, they are a valid part of history.

+ as far as those that choose to carry/own them for the reasons you speak of...it isn't ALWAYS out of fear, it's often (probably more than often...) out of the knowledge...the FACT...that sometimes the enemy MIGHT have one. SOunds like a pretty good excuse to own one to me.

And many collectors do the proper thing like taking the firing pins out just in case they're stolen.

[chicka]

Yesterday Worcester had it's fourth homicide of the year when a 21 year old female was shot to death in her parked car. The perp just walked up to her open window and put a bullet in her head. She was a college student on her way to a Nursing degree....Just think for one second if Knox and the rest of us had our way she'd probably be alive today, finished off her degree and possibly saved someone's life down the road as a nurse.

Sway you better get some help pal anybody who could actually say Charles Manson had anything good and worthwhile to say and then go one step further and defend him needs to rethink his own ideas about life.

[ann ashtray]

I think most who pay too much attention to books/media written by those w/ selfish intentions should examine the man himself...his writings, the things he says. I'm not saying I agree with every bit of it (I don't...he's often tooo much of an idealist, much like Knox) but some of it is border line genius. The guy isn't, and never was an idiot. He's 75 years old, + I don't think it's fair to judge an entire lifetime for some events that took place over a matter of weeks.

He's not Richard Ramirez for cryin' out loud. He's an artist, a thinker, a lover of love (despite popular belief) + hard work. He happens to love nature more than man....mother nature would be in far better shape if most thought this way.

He sometimes offers good points, that's all I ever said. There's more to the man than Sharon Tate. Just like there's more to you than the things you've mentioned doing in a past life. There's more to me than a drunk. There's more to Knox than being a supporter of a government that should control everything, there's more to Mr. Flynt than Hustler Magazine. People like to pinpoint single events/tastes on people and base that individual's entire existence on it. A sad thing, mes thinks.

If you choose to hate something, at least KNOW what yr hating. Not just a part of the story....

[knox]

well, case closed.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by knox

well, case closed.

You always say things like this when you don't know enough about a specific topic to offer something worthwhile.

to semi quote you:

"sometimes you should consider not posting"...

[GeneticKiss]

Originally Posted by chicka

Yesterday Worcester had it's fourth homicide of the year when a 21 year old female was shot to death in her parked car. The perp just walked up to her open window and put a bullet in her head. She was a college student on her way to a Nursing degree....Just think for one second if Knox and the rest of us had our way she'd probably be alive today, finished off her degree and possibly saved someone's life down the road as a nurse.

In cases like this, it's easy to say that if the trigger wasn't there to be pulled, then the victim would still be alive, but that doen't absolve the person whose finger pulled it of any blame. The question is why would someone feel driven to take another person's life without cause.

But still...sad as it is, even without a gun her killer would've found a way to murder her, because her time was up. If we can learn anything from history, it's that if you're meant to die at a particular moment, you will, no matter how tragic it may be for those left behind. Conversely, you can survive the most horrific accident if your time isn't up. Of course, this doesn't mean we should unnecessarily place ourselves in harm's way or not try and save lives...

I'm not saying it doesn't upset me to learn about things like this, but I don't think anyone can argue in favor of banning guns without sounding like a naive idealist. I'm not really sure how further regulation on the industry itself can help either...limiting the amount of ammo a gun can hold? That would put soldiers and law enforcement officers in danger because they'd have to waste more time reloading. If you made a civilian and a military/police grade version of the same weapon, criminals would just find a way to get their hands on the 20 bullet capacity military/police grade models, leaving honest citizens with the 5 bullet capacity civilian grade models vulernable. Strict limits on how many guns can be manufactured? Massive layoffs to cover the lost revenue and more unemployment. Sorry, but the answer to gun violence isn't gun restrictions, because those without the "burdens" of honesty and respect for the law will always find a way around them; we saw this when hollowpoint armor-piercing rounds found their way onto the street after cops started wearing bulletproof vests. No, you stop a gunfight the same way you stop a fistfight-diffusing the situation before it happens.

[knox]

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

You always say things like this when you don't know enough about a specific topic to offer something worthwhile.

to semi quote you:

"sometimes you should consider not posting"...

I say things like that when nothing else needs to be said. Now stop bugging me. That's a 100% quote btw.

[knox]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

But still...sad as it is, even without a gun her killer would've found a way to murder her, because her time was up. If we can learn anything from history, it's that if you're meant to die at a particular moment, you will, no matter how tragic it may be for those left behind. Conversely, you can survive the most horrific accident if your time isn't up. Of course, this doesn't mean we should unnecessarily place ourselves in harm's way or not try and save lives...

.

That is some sort of religious approach????
In practical terms, a lot of death out of there should and could be avoided, and we're failing.

[ann ashtray]

When were we not?

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

Why would I 'forget' Columbine

[FreshChops]

Originally Posted by knox

You see. This is what Jon is talking about. Nobody even remotely called anyone derranged. The responses to everything seem to be disproportionate.

Originally Posted by knox

The American Society as a whole has a derranged element to it? But nobody called anyone derranged individually.
Except you, because you are. But then you called me derranged.
And then we were even.

um, but doesn't this kinda contradict itself?

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by FreshChops

um, but doesn't this kinda contradict itself?

She does it all the time.

[knox]

Originally Posted by FreshChops

um, but doesn't this kinda contradict itself?

Not if you can analyse different contexts.

[viewtiful alan redux]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

Why would I 'forget' Columbine

Yeah.. I've gotta say that the title of this is regrettable at best. You can't turn tragedy into a competiton.... well at least you shouldn't/

[knox]

I think it was... irony.

[viewtiful alan redux]

How was it ironic?
I just didn't see it that way, but it might be. I just legitimately don't pick up on that.

[jon boy]

i wouldnt put too much thought into it, he will post a picture of himself soon enough.

[FreshChops]

Originally Posted by knox

Not if you can analyse different contexts.

bzzt bzzt! Does not compute.

 

[FreshChops]

Originally Posted by pbradley

None of what you quoted was particularly psychological.

However, if you are referring to when I got psychological in 'pro guns movement' thread, then you should know I wasn't all that serious in those diagnoses. I was bored. Idleness is the beginning of all psychology. Really, though, I don't care either way about people owning guns. The initial replies to that thread made that abundantly clear. Knox seemed the underdog, though, so I psychobabbled to stir the pot. You seem adequately stirred, though perhaps a bit late. Were you simmering? Were you waiting with bated breath to tell me off?

Anyway, the ironic spectacle of being called 'grade-school' in a mostly uncapitalized, long-winded rendition of the classic 'you talk like a fag, bookworm' argument was worth it, though the ellipses did get to be too much.

well, I didn't call you that.... WAIT, did you really just conclude your thoughts by insulting my punctuation / grammar?
oh dear, carry on