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Old 06.28.2019, 06:23 PM   #21
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Old 06.28.2019, 09:23 PM   #22
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Old 06.29.2019, 03:46 AM   #23
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Haven't seen the debate or read too much about most of the candidates but in terms of policy isn't Kamala Harris more or less the black Hilary?
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Old 06.29.2019, 04:02 AM   #24
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That's how she comes across to me.
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Old 06.29.2019, 04:07 AM   #25
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Let's hope she doesn't win the nomination then
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Old 06.29.2019, 04:49 AM   #26
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Haven't seen the debate or read too much about most of the candidates but in terms of policy isn't Kamala Harris more or less the black Hilary?

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That's how she comes across to me.

how? by sheer force of the proclamation that it is so? or is there any actual basis for this claim?

an explanation would be great...
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Old 06.29.2019, 04:57 AM   #27
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how? by sheer force of the proclamation that it is so? or is there any actual basis for this claim?

an explanation would be great...


It's just the impression I formed from stuff I have read about her over the last two or three years. Don't ask for sources, when I read about US politics it is from a distance and I didn't know I was going to be tested on it in the future, nor that Kamala Harris was going to run for the democratic nomination.
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Old 06.29.2019, 05:48 AM   #28
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Same as T&B, just an impression. Seems to me like she's more fuelled by personal ambition than any real interest in the causes she professes to champion. True of all big name politicians to a degree it just seems like there's little else when it comes to K & H.
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Old 06.29.2019, 05:57 AM   #29
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Same as T&B, just an impression. Seems to me like she's more fuelled by personal ambition than any real interest in the causes she professes to champion. True of all big name politicians to a degree it just seems like there's little else when it comes to K & H.
sssso... by sheer force of arbitrary proclamation then
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Old 06.29.2019, 06:42 AM   #30
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As arbitrary as her switch from 'tough-on-crime' prosecutor to 'progressive' candidate.
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Old 06.29.2019, 06:54 AM   #31
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As arbitrary as her switch from 'tough-on-crime' prosecutor to 'progressive' candidate.
ah, finally, something

so, what’s good about crime?

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Lots, if you're an ambitious prosecutor
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sssso... by sheer force of arbitrary proclamation then

Our opinions only seem arbitrary if you are incapable of imagining people having reasons to form opinions different to your own.
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Old 06.29.2019, 07:43 AM   #34
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Our opinions only seem arbitrary if you are incapable of imagining people having reasons to form opinions different to your own.
no, your opinions seem arbitrary when you offer them without supporting reasons

asking other people to prove your own arguments with their inventions is beyond lazy
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Lots, if you're an ambitious prosecutor
eh—if a man is ambitious, he’s “doing what it takes,” but if a woman is ambitious, she’s lady macbeth?

that nyt article i posted goes into some of her actual fuckups. now that she’s got my interest i’ll look more into it. but outright dismissal, and purity tests, hell no.

i’m not joining the democratic circular firing squad. to dump trump is priority #1.
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Old 06.29.2019, 08:11 AM   #36
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you forgot to mention she's black. If you're gonna dismiss me as a sexist you may as well go the whole hog and throw racist in there too.
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Old 06.29.2019, 08:41 AM   #37
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you forgot to mention she's black. If you're gonna dismiss me as a sexist you may as well go the whole hog and throw racist in there too.
im not dismissing you, an individual, as a category. im just pointing out the fact that we often apply these adjudications of traits differently to women. sometimes we realize it, sometimes we don’t.

e.g., you and i like “that lovable rascal” luis suárez, who is so often blinded by his own ambition he’ll do anything to win. sure, he is flawed, but we forgive him, and enjoy his play. what talent! and what hunger.

i’m not sure harris has bitten anyone, haa haaa haaa, not yet anyway. and she’s got talent. i’m willing to forgive some mistakes (anyone who does anything makes them)

actually i’m willing to forgive most mistakes in whoever ends up getting the democratic nomination. i’d even support that kooky lady in that field.
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eh—if a man is ambitious, he’s “doing what it takes,” but if a woman is ambitious, she’s lady macbeth?

that nyt article i posted goes into some of her actual fuckups. now that she’s got my interest i’ll look more into it. but outright dismissal, and purity tests, hell no.

i’m not joining the democratic circular firing squad. to dump trump is priority #1.
Nah fuck male prosecutors too for locking mothers up for their children's truancy. If that's the purity test then I guess a lot of people are purists. You can't have someone like that be the democratic nomination after Black Lives Matter and everything that's went on since, come on man. She played a not insignificant role in the system that so many people are fighting against. She came across the best in the debates and I'm fine with her burning Biden but a lot of what she said was either flip flopping on previous positions or just hypocritical. There are a million other choices and no one should settle just to DUMP THE BAD ORANGE MAN.
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actually i’m willing to forgive most mistakes in whoever ends up getting the democratic nomination. i’d even support that kooky lady in that field.

See, this to me is where it starts to read like Trump Derangement Syndrome. I get that you really don't like Trump, but your economy isn't doing bad, employment is up, I imagine your life hasn't changed that considerably since his appointment. I get that you think there are people who could do things better. I'd agree with you. But seriously, Marianne Williamson?
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Nah fuck male prosecutors too for locking mothers up for their children's truancy. If that's the purity test then I guess a lot of people are purists. You can't have someone like that be the democratic nomination after Black Lives Matter and everything that's went on since, come on man. She played a not insignificant role in the system that so many people are fighting against. She came across the best in the debates and I'm fine with her burning Biden but a lot of what she said was either flip flopping on previous positions or just hypocritical. There are a million other choices and no one should settle just to DUMP THE BAD ORANGE MAN.
sure but YES, DUMP THE BAD ORANGE MAN

the truancy business seems terrible— i just read about it in that article i linked above. but i dont have all the details yet to make a judgment—im actually moving house today so not 100% devoted to the analysis. my guess however is if she moves up in the polls we’ll have a chance to look into her background a lot more.

principles in politics are all well and good but without the ability to execute you have nothing. and we have a congress..

i’ll take half a democratic agenda over 4 more years of trump followed by 4 of pence as they dismantle obamacare and give carte blanche to predatory insurance plans, continue to ignore climate change, and give their rich pals even more tax cuts and privileges.

we’ll have this discussion ad infinitum, i know.
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