Lee #2, the story behind the song?

FreshChops · 07.30.2009, 04:12 AM

What's the story behind "Lee #2"? The first time I heard it was on "100% Rebel" titled "Notorious Rockin' Lee". I thought it was special, and now the version on the Goo Deluxe w/ vocal is great! This has got to be one of SY's most catchy melodies... why was it never thrown in the mix along w/ album's of the time, like Goo? Anyone know about this song?

When I first heard it (on Rebel) I thought it was a cover... I don't know, maybe because it was played when they played the Beach Boy's "I know there's an answer". Now, hearing it w/ the Goo b-sides, seems all original... contrived at the time of Goo? Sorry, I don't have the Goo Deluxe insert so can't read the info on it, if it even has it....

anyone?

Death & the Maiden · 07.30.2009, 04:20 AM

Part of the Goodbye Twentieth Century book deals with this song, as well as Genetic. Apparently it was pretty much fully formed by Lee, and Thurston and Kim don't really like putting that much effort into something not their own, or something already completed, so it was left off Goo. Lee also said it didn't really go anywhere. It also led up to the big Genetic debate, where Lee was almost considering leaving SY.

noisereductions · 07.30.2009, 07:18 AM

yes. And both of those songs are great. Would have fit great on Goo and Dirty respectively. But whatevs. The past is the past. Hindsight and so on.

Hey where's that Lee singer-songwriter Ecstatic Peace! album?*

*one millionth time asked on this forum.

dasx · 07.30.2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

Hey where's that Lee singer-songwriter Ecstatic Peace! album?

Yeah, that's what I'm waiting for!

max · 07.30.2009, 07:26 AM

in all honesty, I think it's pretty stupid on behalf of a band to reject a fully formed song coming from one member. it adds up to the band's reputation as a team of good songwriters, and it's got to be said that GENETIC is one of the best fucking songs coming from SY.

noisereductions · 07.30.2009, 08:10 AM

Yeah, but I think it's sort of become like an SY song is one that all members contribute to. And fully formed songs be each individual get used for solo projects.

h8kurdt · 07.30.2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Death & the Maiden

Part of the Goodbye Twentieth Century book deals with this song, as well as Genetic. Apparently it was pretty much fully formed by Lee, and Thurston and Kim don't really like putting that much effort into something not their own, or something already completed, so it was left off Goo. Lee also said it didn't really go anywhere. It also led up to the big Genetic debate, where Lee was almost considering leaving SY.

Really? Never heard about that one before!

noisereductions · 07.30.2009, 09:29 AM

I'd say that the 4 elements that combined on EVOL are integral to the band's sound. That's pretty f'ing obvious.

but if they all died, and their brains were put into robot bodies, and those robots made albums as Sonic Youth... I'd still buy those albums.

Chris Lawrence · 07.30.2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Death & the Maiden

Part of the Goodbye Twentieth Century book deals with this song, as well as Genetic. Apparently it was pretty much fully formed by Lee, and Thurston and Kim don't really like putting that much effort into something not their own, or something already completed, so it was left off Goo. Lee also said it didn't really go anywhere. It also led up to the big Genetic debate, where Lee was almost considering leaving SY.

hilarious. guess their minds changed 10 years later when thurston began bringing in half a record's worth of fully formed songs.

i always thought it was lame that thurston put zero effort into the bassline to "lee #2", almost going so far as to ruin the song (not saying deliberately, but it doesn't shock me that they removed the bass completely on the deluxe edition version).

noisereductions · 07.30.2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lawrence

hilarious. guess their minds changed 10 years later when thurston began bringing in half a record's worth of fully formed songs.

I purposely left this observation out of my own posts because, well, MURRAY STREET is so f'ing good.

FreshChops · 07.30.2009, 07:05 PM

Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the near Lee hiatus, but it doesn't surprise me. I glad it didn't happen though. They all deserve each other, just as we appreciate each's contributions.

Nothing wrong w/ Lee putting together material on the side though. It could be just as interesting as the full bands collabs.

When I've played music with others, I've never had an interest in playing to completely arranged songs.... and on the same note, never imposed completely arranged pieces to others as well..... I've kept them to myself. I can see that. But damn, Lee's shown he's got it together too!

07.30.2009, 04:12 AM	#1
FreshChops 100% Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 738	What's the story behind "Lee #2"? The first time I heard it was on "100% Rebel" titled "Notorious Rockin' Lee". I thought it was special, and now the version on the Goo Deluxe w/ vocal is great! This has got to be one of SY's most catchy melodies... why was it never thrown in the mix along w/ album's of the time, like Goo? Anyone know about this song? When I first heard it (on Rebel) I thought it was a cover... I don't know, maybe because it was played when they played the Beach Boy's "I know there's an answer". Now, hearing it w/ the Goo b-sides, seems all original... contrived at the time of Goo? Sorry, I don't have the Goo Deluxe insert so can't read the info on it, if it even has it.... anyone?
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07.30.2009, 04:20 AM	#2
Death & the Maiden expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,036	Part of the Goodbye Twentieth Century book deals with this song, as well as Genetic. Apparently it was pretty much fully formed by Lee, and Thurston and Kim don't really like putting that much effort into something not their own, or something already completed, so it was left off Goo. Lee also said it didn't really go anywhere. It also led up to the big Genetic debate, where Lee was almost considering leaving SY. __________________ www.myspace.com/ghostofanidealwife
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07.30.2009, 07:18 AM	#3
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	yes. And both of those songs are great. Would have fit great on Goo and Dirty respectively. But whatevs. The past is the past. Hindsight and so on. Hey where's that Lee singer-songwriter Ecstatic Peace! album?* *one millionth time asked on this forum. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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max expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: sardinia, italy Posts: 1,263	in all honesty, I think it's pretty stupid on behalf of a band to reject a fully formed song coming from one member. it adds up to the band's reputation as a team of good songwriters, and it's got to be said that GENETIC is one of the best fucking songs coming from SY. __________________ A Dance Of Shadows - Kingdom Of Night
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07.30.2009, 08:10 AM	#6
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	Yeah, but I think it's sort of become like an SY song is one that all members contribute to. And fully formed songs be each individual get used for solo projects. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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07.30.2009, 09:29 AM	#8
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	I'd say that the 4 elements that combined on EVOL are integral to the band's sound. That's pretty f'ing obvious. but if they all died, and their brains were put into robot bodies, and those robots made albums as Sonic Youth... I'd still buy those albums. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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07.30.2009, 07:05 PM	#11
FreshChops 100% Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 738	Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the near Lee hiatus, but it doesn't surprise me. I glad it didn't happen though. They all deserve each other, just as we appreciate each's contributions. Nothing wrong w/ Lee putting together material on the side though. It could be just as interesting as the full bands collabs. When I've played music with others, I've never had an interest in playing to completely arranged songs.... and on the same note, never imposed completely arranged pieces to others as well..... I've kept them to myself. I can see that. But damn, Lee's shown he's got it together too!
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