ahead of their time - Page 2

porkmarras · 10.23.2006, 01:04 AM

What about musicians outside their time,then?
Sun Ra,Moondog,Haino etc would all fall into that category.

UVRAY · 10.23.2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Anngella

What about bands behind their time?

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club.

Could possibly have been a good band if they could have devised something that was actually original sounding.

Inhuman · 10.23.2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras

What about musicians outside their time,then?
Sun Ra,Moondog,Haino etc would all fall into that category.

Good call on sun ra!

Danny Himself · 10.23.2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CHOUT

Devo were so ahead of their time, no one has even caught up to their maxi-turtlenecks yet.

I saw the Devo hats in the EMP museum in Seattle. They have Michael Jackson's rhinestone glove and some of Kurt Cobain's shitty t-shirts too. CHECK IT OUT next time you're there.

sun city girl · 10.23.2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras

What about musicians outside their time,then?
Sun Ra,Moondog,Haino etc would all fall into that category.

do you mean heino?

porkmarras · 10.23.2006, 08:18 AM

Nope,i meant Keiji Haino but Mr Heino himself certainly 'looked' outside of his time.He's been my desktop background for a long while now......

sun city girl · 10.23.2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras

Nope,i meant Keiji Haino but Mr Heino himself certainly 'looked' outside of his time.He's been been my desktop background for a long while now......

of course, i was only joking... but the sad thing is, i've never heard any of heino's records. but then again maybe it's better that way... the sleeves look so cool the actual music would most certainly be a disappointment.

as for keiji haino, he's of course totally timeless...

sun city girl · 10.23.2006, 08:35 AM

by the way, they're both always wearing shades... coinsidence?

Glice · 10.23.2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras

What about musicians outside their time,then?
Sun Ra,Moondog,Haino etc would all fall into that category.

A more important category. I was having an argument about the 'ahead of their time' category the other day. For me, having a song-structure which is analogous to a pre-existing form doesn't make someone ahead of their time. The Sex Pistols, for instance, weren't particularly ahead of their time, but were 'different' within the context of the late-70s, so long as that context is a very narrow one. Likewise VU. I like them a lot (less so these days perhaps) but that's not because they were ahead of their time, but because they were good. Very few, perhaps none, had used their devices within a rock context, but rock isn't the sine qua non of music. Their more radical songs (say Black Angel's Death Song, All tomorrows Parties and Sister Ray) were certainly not ideas of structures that were used within electric rock, but within a wider context (looking at things like Drones out of India or the Ashkinasi [sp?]/ Romany/ Spanish/ Fado guitar tradition) they are certainly not that radical. This isn't a criticism per se, because their music is good, but I don't think it's ahead of its time. For me, something is ahead of its time if there are no forbears (hehe) to whom they can be compared. So, some of John Cage's work, bits of Wagner or Stockhausen or Schoenberg or those sorts are 'ahead of their time' in so far as they operate at the avant-garde of music. There are a load more names I could throw in. I really like Throbbing Gristle, and for me they come the closest to someone being 'ahead of their time' within the rock context, but even so they still operate within a continuum of music, albeit one several times removed from the ambit of 'rock criticism'.

atari 2600 · 10.23.2006, 09:08 AM

Charlie Parker
Lennie Tristano
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
John Lennon
Jimi Hendrix
John Cale
Syd Barrett
Frank Zappa
Laurie Anderson
Brian Eno

Savage Clone · 10.23.2006, 09:55 AM

Harry Partch would definitely be one of the "outside of time" folks along with the likes of Moondog, etc.

_slavo_ · 10.23.2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche

Yellow Swans.
Arab on Radar.

This is so stupid, Hayden.

_slavo_ · 10.23.2006, 12:36 PM

I would say Terre Thaemlitz cca 1996-7.

king_buzzo · 10.23.2006, 12:42 PM

kraftwerk ofcourse

Rob Instigator · 10.23.2006, 01:06 PM

musicians/bands ahead of their time. This is hard to define. I would say it involves bands or musicians that are so out there that it takes years or a decade or more for music fans to catch up to what they were doing.

in that sense Kraftwerk was definitly ahead of their time.

I would say sonic youth around the confusion/bad moon rising era were ahead of their time and it took ove 15 years for everyone to catch back up.

LittlePuppetBoy · 10.23.2006, 06:47 PM

I say the VU because they sang about stuff that is STILL taboo today. and best of all, a 60's band that hasn't been reduced to "classic rock" radio.

LittlePuppetBoy · 10.23.2006, 06:48 PM

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What about bands behind their time?

Like the Darkness?

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LittlePuppetBoy expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Aylmer(now Gatineau), Quebec Posts: 1,756	I say the VU because they sang about stuff that is STILL taboo today. and best of all, a 60's band that hasn't been reduced to "classic rock" radio. __________________
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