Originally Posted by pbradley

A world of bricklayers, plumbers, nurses, artists etc

That's better.

[pbradley]

I've never met one person that defines their inner self as a plumber or a bricklayer.

And what is that saying about the garbage men?

[demonrail666]

The seemingly ireconcilable tension between social and self-interest will only be overcome once it's discovered that the latter is ultimately reliant upon the former. A model for overcoming this 'master-servent' model Atari mentions is outlined in Robert Nozick's book Anarchy, State and Utopia:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anarchy-Stat...8550071&sr=1-1

An excellent book, and VERY persuasive in its argument - even though I instinctively disagree with its core anarcho-libertarian-style premise.

Originally Posted by pbradley

I've never met one person that defines their inner self as a plumber or a bricklayer.

And what is that saying about the garbage men?

I was going to give you an appropriate answer but then i spotted the inner provocateur in you.

[pbradley]

That's not the provocateur that you see, that's the existentialist.

The bourgeoisie has, through its exploitation of the world market, given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of reactionaries, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilized nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.


Which part of that is not understandable?

The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilization. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it forces the barbarians' intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilization into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image




Or this.

[jico.]

does that make you fear that someday we might loose our individuality?

Explain what your question means, then I'll answer it.

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Oh my, Pork.

Did you write those?

Of course I didn't. Why?

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Nothing, just curios if you penned it.

Feeling globalized today?

[jico.]

 

Originally Posted by jico.

does that make you fear that someday we might loose our individuality?

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Do you think our little online community is a product of globalization?

I think globilisation is a word that is meaningless and I never used it in any of my posts ever. Jico, if you have nothing to say on the matter, don't say it. It helps.

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Again being curious, why do you think it is meaningless?

If it is meaningless, then what is a better word, in one exists? I agree to some extent, what does a farmer in Malaysia know about globalization? I though that was what you were getting at with what you posted. Surely it defines, at least in my mind what globalization is. I'm having a hard time following, friend.

I just think it is a word that spawned to describe a process that existed for a while and has all the emphasis on ignorance of the world's economical history. That's what I learned of the word's meaning. That's what it means to me.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест

Oh my, Pork.

Did you write those?

those quotes are 150 years old

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Yes, I see that know.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

The bourgeoisie has, through its exploitation of the world market, given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of reactionaries, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilized nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.


Which part of that is not understandable?

the part where that would be so terrible. i think that's a great thing going on.

now, if you actually believe that is bad, you should promptly disconnect your internet, return to sardinia, and live off the land, knit your own clothes, etc. oh and none of that "cosmopolitan" music and electronic gadgets please.. launeddas or nothing from you! of course you can only play in your local taverns. the world can't hear you.