"Now I have become death, the destroyer of worlds.." J.Robert Oppenheimer

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 01.27.2009, 12:44 PM

"..And the third was named Gâdreêl: he it is who showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed the weapons of death to the sons of men⌉ the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the children of men.."

from the book of enoch

J. Robert Oppenheimer..

father of the atomic bomb, who even personally chose the test site which we now call Trinity, which the spanish had named in the spirit of prophecy, "Jornada del Muerto (the Journey of Death)"

look at any photograph of the man, even from a child, he has the eyes of a possessed man, through who the Watchers gave man the gift of death of the world. while his famous quote from the Bhagavad Ghita is highly relevant, I do believe his first comment at the exploding of the first atomic device at trinity is potently revealing, he said simply, "it works.."

The it to which he was referring is the most terrifying spectacle created by the hands of man, instant genocide, a ghastly tool of destruction. The Watchers of Enoch truly triumphed with this move, for it was far superior to swords, lances, machine guns and heavy artillery, with this, everything is threatened equally. At the peak of the so-called cold war (which was rather hot in most places of the world) the US had over 30,000 armed, ready to launch nuclear war heads..... oh Oppenheimer what did you do!

"Keep cool babylon you don't know what you'r doing, Rasta say to keep cool Babylon you don't know what you'r saying, Iyah say to keep cool Babylon you don't know what your doing, King Alpha come now soon..."

jonathan · 01.27.2009, 12:52 PM

There was a documentary on him on PBS last night... I watched it... it was cool.

afterthefact · 01.27.2009, 01:30 PM

I see nothing about his eyes that look possessed to me. He is not the first bad man in the world.

And which "Eve" did he lead astray, then?

Kloriel · 01.27.2009, 01:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMN-j...eature=related

Rob Instigator · 01.27.2009, 02:10 PM

i think the "IT" referred to in "It works" was the nuclear fission reaction.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 01.27.2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact

I see nothing about his eyes that look possessed to me. He is not the first bad man in the world.

And which "Eve" did he lead astray, then?

no no, you misinterpret so perhaps it would be appropriate here to elaborate:

In the tradition of Christianity exposed to the theology and cosmology of the so-called "lost book of enoch", all of the negative and harmful aspects of the human experience owe their existence to the inspiration of fallen angels, the Watchers, who deceived man by teaching them all sorts of "evil"

Of these evils, was the creation of weapons and the skill of death. I-man live in a cosmology where things do not happen by accident or circumstance, and I thought it an interesting connection, particularly with his reference to "becoming death" and having chosen the place of this birth, which was the "journey of death"

I was speaking of death in a personified way, and not as a concept, so in becoming it and its journey would refer to an individual, who I personally see Oppenheimer as being. It is not he personally, but I suppose he comes to be point of reference to surmise the whole evil of nuclear weaponry..

as the book of enoch says regarding another fallen angel, "ascribe to him the entire crime."

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

i think the "IT" referred to in "It works" was the nuclear fission reaction.

yes, in a technical way, however I-man look into things more mystically..

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Originally Posted by jonathan

There was a documentary on him on PBS last night... I watched it... it was cool.

yes, that is what inspired this whole thing here..

!@#$%! · 01.27.2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

which the spanish had named in the spirit of prophecy, "Jornada del Muerto (the Journey of Death)"

im sorry to korrekt your bad español but jornada del muerto does not fucking mean journey of death, not here not in spain.

jornada relates to journey only insofar as it refers to travel; however, while a journey can last indefinitely, a jornada is the spaced traveled in a day. later it came to mean the work done in a day. jornada de ocho horas = 8-hour workday.

muerto is not death. muerto as a noun is "dead one", in the masculine case, the feminine would be muerta; muerte is death.

therefore jornada del muerto could unpoetically translate as 'day trip of the dead man'. the spirit is not prophetic but cautionary-- it basically means "don't fucking walk here cuz there's nothing but hot sand and you won't be able to cross it within a day". and there's actually some dark humor in the name: it's a joke. miexicans joke about death a lot.

and because of the fact that there was nobody near and it was relatively isolated, they tested the nukes there.

ok. end of rant. time for my siesta.

Lurker · 01.27.2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact

I see nothing about his eyes that look possessed to me. He is not the first bad man in the world.

Yes but he does seem to have a withered arm, which if you ask me is a sure sign that he is POSSESSED BY DEMONS!!!!!! IT'S SCIENTIFIC FACT!!

pbradley · 01.27.2009, 04:03 PM

I consider Oppenheimer more as a Victor Frankenstein archetype than possessed by a fallen angel.

First, we must recognize that there is retrospect in this moral critique, it's easy to imagine absolute evil without considering Nazi Germany's own research, the amorality (no, not immorality) of the project of science, as well as the benefits of nuclear power. Second, we must also recognize Oppenheimer's post-war work in trying to reverse nuclear weapons proliferation.

acousticrock87 · 01.27.2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

im sorry to korrekt your bad español but jornada del muerto does not fucking mean journey of death, not here not in spain.

jornada relates to journey only insofar as it refers to travel; however, while a journey can last indefinitely, a jornada is the spaced traveled in a day. later it came to mean the work done in a day. jornada de ocho horas = 8-hour workday.

muerto is not death. muerto as a noun is "dead one", in the masculine case, the feminine would be muerta; muerte is death.

therefore jornada del muerto could unpoetically translate as 'day trip of the dead man'. the spirit is not prophetic but cautionary-- it basically means "don't fucking walk here cuz there's nothing but hot sand and you won't be able to cross it within a day". and there's actually some dark humor in the name: it's a joke. miexicans joke about death a lot.

and because of the fact that there was nobody near and it was relatively isolated, they tested the nukes there.

ok. end of rant. time for my siesta.

I think books should be translated this way. They might be longer, but fuck do I understand it.

Lurker · 01.27.2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pbradley

I consider Oppenheimer more as a Victor Frankenstein archetype than possessed by a fallen angel.

First, we must recognize that there is retrospect in this moral critique, it's easy to imagine absolute evil without considering Nazi Germany's own research, the amorality (no, not immorality) of the project of science, as well as the benefits of nuclear power. Second, we must also recognize Oppenheimer's post-war work in trying to reverse nuclear weapons proliferation.

I don't see how he can be demonised. If America didn't develop the atomic bomb the war would have lasted a lot longer and probably been a lot worse. And it has only been used twice. What if America had decided not to develop it, would Soviet Russia have also done the same?

pbradley · 01.27.2009, 04:21 PM

Inventing a science fiction to absolve all responsibility is about as erroneous as SuchFriend's mythology to assign it absolutely.

Lurker · 01.27.2009, 04:22 PM

What science fiction?

pbradley · 01.27.2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurker

What if America had decided not to develop it, would Soviet Russia have also done the same?

This.

Lurker · 01.27.2009, 04:42 PM

How is that a fiction? Firstly, a fiction is something that makes no claim to truth but is something that could still be true. In that sentence I am not even making a statement in that sense, I am just saying "what if...?" What is the problem with the defending of an action by thinking about what could have happened otherwise?

pbradley · 01.27.2009, 04:59 PM

You are making a statement. The answer you are quietly suggesting is "yes."

It's pure speculation.

Lurker · 01.27.2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pbradley

You are making a statement. The answer you are quietly suggesting is "yes."

It's pure speculation.

Yes it is pure speculation. The "yes" answer was what I was speculating. What is wrong with that?

pbradley · 01.27.2009, 05:12 PM

It is a red herring. Soviet Russia could have done the same and would still be condemnable for it.

tesla69 · 01.27.2009, 05:13 PM

I've got caught up in the Christopher Walkin Prophecy movies about angels - "whenever God needed to smote a city he would send an angel. what kind of creature could that be?" paraphrasing...

Lurker · 01.27.2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pbradley

It is a red herring. Soviet Russia could have done the same and would still be condemnable for it.

It sure is a red herring, hohohohoh!!! It is different because Soviet Russia was militaristicly aggressive, America at this point was not.

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SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	"..And the third was named Gâdreêl: he it is who showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed the weapons of death to the sons of men⌉ the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the children of men.." from the book of enoch J. Robert Oppenheimer.. father of the atomic bomb, who even personally chose the test site which we now call Trinity, which the spanish had named in the spirit of prophecy, "Jornada del Muerto (the Journey of Death)" look at any photograph of the man, even from a child, he has the eyes of a possessed man, through who the Watchers gave man the gift of death of the world. while his famous quote from the Bhagavad Ghita is highly relevant, I do believe his first comment at the exploding of the first atomic device at trinity is potently revealing, he said simply, "it works.." The it to which he was referring is the most terrifying spectacle created by the hands of man, instant genocide, a ghastly tool of destruction. The Watchers of Enoch truly triumphed with this move, for it was far superior to swords, lances, machine guns and heavy artillery, with this, everything is threatened equally. At the peak of the so-called cold war (which was rather hot in most places of the world) the US had over 30,000 armed, ready to launch nuclear war heads..... oh Oppenheimer what did you do! "Keep cool babylon you don't know what you'r doing, Rasta say to keep cool Babylon you don't know what you'r saying, Iyah say to keep cool Babylon you don't know what your doing, King Alpha come now soon..." __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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afterthefact invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 3,886	I see nothing about his eyes that look possessed to me. He is not the first bad man in the world. And which "Eve" did he lead astray, then? __________________ "She hated people who thought too much. At that moment, she struck me as an appropriate representative for almost all mankind." - Kurt Vonnegut Cat's Cradle
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I consider Oppenheimer more as a Victor Frankenstein archetype than possessed by a fallen angel. First, we must recognize that there is retrospect in this moral critique, it's easy to imagine absolute evil without considering Nazi Germany's own research, the amorality (no, not immorality) of the project of science, as well as the benefits of nuclear power. Second, we must also recognize Oppenheimer's post-war work in trying to reverse nuclear weapons proliferation.
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	Inventing a science fiction to absolve all responsibility is about as erroneous as SuchFriend's mythology to assign it absolutely.
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Lurker invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: No. 10 Posts: 3,289	What science fiction?
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Lurker invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: No. 10 Posts: 3,289	How is that a fiction? Firstly, a fiction is something that makes no claim to truth but is something that could still be true. In that sentence I am not even making a statement in that sense, I am just saying "what if...?" What is the problem with the defending of an action by thinking about what could have happened otherwise?
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	You are making a statement. The answer you are quietly suggesting is "yes." It's pure speculation.
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	It is a red herring. Soviet Russia could have done the same and would still be condemnable for it.
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tesla69 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 4,055	I've got caught up in the Christopher Walkin Prophecy movies about angels - "whenever God needed to smote a city he would send an angel. what kind of creature could that be?" paraphrasing...
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