Thurston talks black metal

Moshe · 05.29.2009, 06:20 AM

http://decibelmagazine.com/Content.aspx?ncid=305305

atsonicpark · 05.29.2009, 07:06 AM

I think I'm going to put on Dodheimsgard - 666 Internationale right now.

SuperCreep · 05.29.2009, 09:58 AM

"I really drew the line between black metal and death metal. Death metal was obviously more of a technically proficient kind of playing, which I had no interest in. I wanted to hear music by people who had no desire to impress with any kind of traditional, skilled playing."

haha. That's how I always felt about all the death metal I've heard.

Great interview. Thanks!

Derek · 05.29.2009, 10:03 AM

why are mercyful fate considered black metal? they sound more like straight up heavy metal to me.

atsonicpark · 05.29.2009, 10:06 AM

Hmm... I see what he's saying there, but a lot of black metal is insanely difficult to play... and indeed just as "technically proficient" (though not as complex, structurally.. usually)... It may sound like shit, production-wise, but jesus, try playing some of that shit as fast as they play it, for as long as they play it. Granted, the difference is moreso that black metal bands often just tremolo-pick power chords as fast as possible (kind of a faster punk rock in a way... so I can see why it would appeal to Thurston) whereas death metal bands often are trying to further their techniques and the complexity of their approach, sometimes even adding elements of classical music in their solos and riffing (see Necrophagist)...but tons of black metal bands are skilled... perhaps they just sound sloppier in comparison. Interesting. Both genres have shitloads of amazing bands, either way...

Derek · 05.29.2009, 10:10 AM

i like black metal more... there's a lot more emotion involved and i don't like guitar noodling.

atsonicpark · 05.29.2009, 10:11 AM

Derek... Mercyful Fate, Bathory, and Venom are all considered important inspirations for the black metal genre, as far as imagery and lyrics and speed is concerned.

To put it in a different context, think of the Sex Pistols and their inspiration to the punk genre. No one's going to argue with the fact that they're an influential punk band, but in all reality, their songs sound a lot different than the punk bands that were to influence. For one, there was actually some somewhat "technical" (comparatively speaking) playing on Never Mind the Bollocks.. not to mention all the songs were so damn slow (again, in comparison to the bands who followed). However, they were influential in their lyrics, attitude, fashion, and so on.... even if most punk bands don't really sound like them.

atsonicpark · 05.29.2009, 10:12 AM

I am not going to choose one genre over another. Both genres have amazing (and shit) bands. I guess if I think about it, I'd rather listen to Weakling's "Dead as Dreams" over any metal album ever made, so yeah.. black metaaal, if I have to choose here. Hah.

Derek · 05.29.2009, 10:22 AM

yeah you're right, mercyful fate just always reminded me of iron maiden haha. king diamond rules.

pbradley · 05.29.2009, 10:29 AM

I want to hear about those bands influenced by 'Cross The Breeze.

chrome noise tape · 05.29.2009, 10:32 AM

Moore gonna paint his face and lips, talking about devil and how to kill god, playing fast guitar? uhhhhhh!

automatic bzooty · 05.29.2009, 02:33 PM

"I basically spent the winter of 2007-2008 standing on my roof with my shirt off with two axes over my head in a crisscross shape just listening to black metal."

Rob Instigator · 05.29.2009, 02:44 PM

thanks for the interview link man

afterthefact · 05.29.2009, 03:12 PM

Is there anything that Thurston is not up on? I mean, the guy seems to be into everything.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 05.29.2009, 03:29 PM

Black Metal scares me

afterthefact · 05.29.2009, 04:06 PM

Look Spectral, LOOK!

Ha, you just peed!

vulva · 05.29.2009, 04:17 PM

Mercyful Fate are proto-black metal and very integral to its formations. Thurston seems to have the right idea with black metal. I was never too big on it personally, I was pretty much rooted in thrash but black metal and noise go hand in hand. The soundscapes that bands like Darkthrone made can't be topped.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 05.29.2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact

Look Spectral, LOOK!

Ha, you just peed!

Not that kind of scared.

It's just sort of baffling. The art, the look, the whole thing. It's all rather silly and that people take it that seriously. . . well, scares me.

Although technically you could say that about any counter-culture to some extent.

Death & the Maiden · 05.29.2009, 10:28 PM

Thanks for this. I might check out some of those bands he mentioned.

Death & the Maiden · 05.29.2009, 10:34 PM

I prefer black metal over death metal by far. It's not that I think death is worse than black because of the technical proficiency, some of it is to do with the vocals and the imagery - I really dislike death vocals, and black imagery can be pretty cool sometimes. Not the bands usually, but the pictures of forests on, say, a Striborg album are interesting.

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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Hmm... I see what he's saying there, but a lot of black metal is insanely difficult to play... and indeed just as "technically proficient" (though not as complex, structurally.. usually)... It may sound like shit, production-wise, but jesus, try playing some of that shit as fast as they play it, for as long as they play it. Granted, the difference is moreso that black metal bands often just tremolo-pick power chords as fast as possible (kind of a faster punk rock in a way... so I can see why it would appeal to Thurston) whereas death metal bands often are trying to further their techniques and the complexity of their approach, sometimes even adding elements of classical music in their solos and riffing (see Necrophagist)...but tons of black metal bands are skilled... perhaps they just sound sloppier in comparison. Interesting. Both genres have shitloads of amazing bands, either way... __________________
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Derek invito al cielo Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,095	i like black metal more... there's a lot more emotion involved and i don't like guitar noodling.
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Derek... Mercyful Fate, Bathory, and Venom are all considered important inspirations for the black metal genre, as far as imagery and lyrics and speed is concerned. To put it in a different context, think of the Sex Pistols and their inspiration to the punk genre. No one's going to argue with the fact that they're an influential punk band, but in all reality, their songs sound a lot different than the punk bands that were to influence. For one, there was actually some somewhat "technical" (comparatively speaking) playing on Never Mind the Bollocks.. not to mention all the songs were so damn slow (again, in comparison to the bands who followed). However, they were influential in their lyrics, attitude, fashion, and so on.... even if most punk bands don't really sound like them. __________________
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I am not going to choose one genre over another. Both genres have amazing (and shit) bands. I guess if I think about it, I'd rather listen to Weakling's "Dead as Dreams" over any metal album ever made, so yeah.. black metaaal, if I have to choose here. Hah. __________________
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Derek invito al cielo Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,095	yeah you're right, mercyful fate just always reminded me of iron maiden haha. king diamond rules.
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vulva the end of the ugly Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,041	Mercyful Fate are proto-black metal and very integral to its formations. Thurston seems to have the right idea with black metal. I was never too big on it personally, I was pretty much rooted in thrash but black metal and noise go hand in hand. The soundscapes that bands like Darkthrone made can't be topped. __________________ "The mind splits open and the world falls in." -- Euripides
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Death & the Maiden expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,036	I prefer black metal over death metal by far. It's not that I think death is worse than black because of the technical proficiency, some of it is to do with the vocals and the imagery - I really dislike death vocals, and black imagery can be pretty cool sometimes. Not the bands usually, but the pictures of forests on, say, a Striborg album are interesting. __________________ www.myspace.com/ghostofanidealwife
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