[atari 2600]

no offence taken, !@#$%!, those are genuine words of concern & i often think the same.

I missed that before.

Originally Posted by themawt71

They've also said that "nobody gets addicted to heroin on their first or second try."

crack cocaine, intravenous cocaine & especially intravenous use of OxyContin can, & usually does, addict the user upon the very first use.

oxy shooters have to get blood transfusion therapy & be hospitalized at $pecialized clinic$ to have much of any kind of real chance to get clean.

[HaydenAsche]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

a) maybe your sister's art was never any good to begin with, and pot has just brought that to the surface.
b) tell them to clean up the kitchen
c)dont try to analyze the mysteries of the cannabis economy, it can be a rubix cube of sorts sometimes.
d) whats wrong with siblings hanging out with siblings? if they left to smoke pot with their friends that would be one thing (which highschool kids do anyways pot or not), but to bond with other family? why the jealousy is what im wondering....
e) everybody who smokes pot smokes it in the morning. sundown is for serious shit like hard drugs, prayer, or eating steak!
f) you know you can graduate from most state Universities with up to a PhD having only a GED?
g) ALL kids are skip school, kids who smoke pot just skip it for different reasons. They are not skipping school because they smoke pot, they are skipping school because they dont like school. they just happen to be smoking pot because that is what they do.
h) pot doesn't kill people. meth kills people. alcohol kills people. pot gives people the munchies.

as far as your mother, your siblings should be more resepectful about things, but i'm sure they will continue to smoke pot, so at this point, rather then driving them away, you and your mom need to become more adaptive and accepting. work around the situation. you'll find that when you address the real issues (within family relationships, at school, etc) that are the problem, you will actually solve the problems.

Ignorant ass post.

[terminal pharmacy]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

I am going to get a lot of flak for this post, but I'm making it anyways.

yes, yes you are, don't blame the drug for the irresponsible use by your younger brothers and sisters. marijuana is not a criminal offense where i live and at a guess i would say at least one house in every street in my state would be growing, everyone i know that smokes weed is still just as productive as ever, don't blame the drug, help the people you are worried about. blaming the drug is like blaming a gun without human action it is inactive and useless. i have smoked pot for 16 years, i hold down a well paying job have respect from my peers, compose for professional theatre, it isnt the drug, it is the person

Who are you to wave your finger?
You must have been out your head
Eyehole deep in muddy waters
You practically raised the dead
Rob the grave to snow the cradle
Then burn the evidence down
Soapbox house of cards and glass so
Don't go tossin' your stones around
You must have been high
Foot in mouth and head up ass
So what ya talkin' 'bout?
Difficult to dance 'round this one
'til you pull it out, boy
You must have been so high
Steal, borrow,
[reefer save your / reaper, savior] shady inference
Kangaroo done hung the juror with the innocent
Now
[you weep in / you're weeping] shades of chosen indigo
Got lemon juice up in your eye
When you pissed all over my black kettle
You must have been high!

Who are you to wave your finger?
So full of it
Eyeballs deep in muddy waters
Fuckin' hypocrite
Liar, lawyer - mirror, show me what's the difference?
Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent.
Now...
[You weep in / You're weeping] shades of chosen indigo
Got lemon juice up in your high eye *
When you pissed all over my black kettle
You must've been...
So who are you to wave your finger?
Who are you to wave your [mighty / many / fatty] fingers at me?
You must have been out your mind
[Weeping / Weep in] shades of indigo
Shed without a reason
[Weeping / Weep in] shades of indigo
Liar, lawyer - mirror, for you what's the difference?
Kangaroo
[bestowed: "he's guilty as the government"
/ be stoned, he's guilty ask the government ]
Now...
[You weep in / You're weeping] shades of chosen indigo
Got lemon juice up in your eye
Now when you pissed all over my black kettle
You must've been high!
Eyeballs deep in bloody waters
Eyeballs deep in muddy waters
[Ganja police / Got to believe / ??]
you must have been out your mind

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Terminal Pharmacy, please read my whole thread. I believe I personally said that some people are fine smoking pot.

Originally Posted by Diesel

spectral have you done drugs before? if not i suggest you find the hardest one you can find blaze it up then come back and tell us of your journey ay. it's not so bad, i say do whatever makes you happy, i don't go broke rok n rol

Good idea I'll go smoke some crack right now and then die from the following WPW attack, which my mother has and is genetic. Even if I don't have WPW, I'd probably get an acute asthma attack from hell. (I'm not asthmatic but I get acute attacks from smoke and allergens)

Drugs I've done before:
caffeine
anti-hystamines and other anti allergenics
alcohol
mild pain relievers
acid reducers
anti-biotics

that is it.

I generally like to be myself and be in control of my own emotions and feelings. Caffeine turns me into a nervous wreck, anti-hystamines turn me into a zombie, pain relievers make my stomach hurt, and I haven't noticed any side effects from Zantac- not that I take it that often.

I do like the effects of alcohol, but I use heavy moderation because of what I have seen it do to a lot of people. I enjoy the tastes and the social aspects of drinking much more than the effects.

I don't really like the "if it makes you happy" argument. Drugs don't really make you happy, they just make you feel happy. I'd much rather have actual feelings than induced ones.

[themawt71]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

crack cocaine, intravenous cocaine & especially intravenous use of OxyContin can, & usually does, addict the user upon the very first use.

oxy shooters have to get blood transfusion therapy & be hospitalized at $pecialized clinic$ to have much of any kind of real chance to get clean.

good to know atari 2600. i always stayed away from the needle but wondered sometimes.... i knew some guy a few years ago in tennessee that was pounding the oxy. i hope hes ok.

m

"it moisturizes my situation and it preserves my sexy"
p diddy on proactiv

[alyasa]

There's nothing wrong with the spliff... Like there's nothing wrong with alcohol. But anyone watched Leaving Las Vegas? Or Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas? Recommended viewing for drug users of all ages the world over...

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

a) maybe your sister's art was never any good to begin with, and pot has just brought that to the surface.
b) tell them to clean up the kitchen
c)dont try to analyze the mysteries of the cannabis economy, it can be a rubix cube of sorts sometimes.
d) whats wrong with siblings hanging out with siblings? if they left to smoke pot with their friends that would be one thing (which highschool kids do anyways pot or not), but to bond with other family? why the jealousy is what im wondering....
e) everybody who smokes pot smokes it in the morning. sundown is for serious shit like hard drugs, prayer, or eating steak!
f) you know you can graduate from most state Universities with up to a PhD having only a GED?
g) ALL kids are skip school, kids who smoke pot just skip it for different reasons. They are not skipping school because they smoke pot, they are skipping school because they dont like school. they just happen to be smoking pot because that is what they do.
h) pot doesn't kill people. meth kills people. alcohol kills people. pot gives people the munchies.

as far as your mother, your siblings should be more resepectful about things, but i'm sure they will continue to smoke pot, so at this point, rather then driving them away, you and your mom need to become more adaptive and accepting. work around the situation. you'll find that when you address the real issues (within family relationships, at school, etc) that are the problem, you will actually solve the problems.

Never thought I'd say this, but there is some sense in this boy's post.

Let's cut away all the physiological, sociological, and psychological bullshit, shall we?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do dope. If you don't know the difference, then for the love of god, stay away from it.

[jon boy]

There is a right way and a wrong way to do dope. If you don't know the difference, then for the love of god, stay away from it.[/quote]

yeh dope can turn you into a really messed up person who has to lie to get people to like them because their own life is so unbelievable shit.

[truncated]

Originally Posted by jon boy

yeh dope can turn you into a really messed up person who has to lie to get people to like them because their own life is so unbelievable shit.

Have we made our point yet, fuckbag?

Keep it up. Makes not one bit of difference to me.

[jon boy]

Keep it up. Makes not one bit of difference to me.[/quote]

so whats the point in that thread then? you may find it hard to believe but not everything is about you.

who said i was addressing you anyway?

the majority of dope smokers i know are ok. when i was younger there were people who smoked all the time, literally. they got seriously burned out and it was an effort for them to do just about everything. it was kinda funny in a way to watch them walk around, they were so slow.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Glice

I don't like weed. I don't like pot heads. I don't like people whining on about the 'benefits' of weed. I don't like the 'alcohols the biggest drug...' blah blah argument.

Weed is a drug. We all have drugs. We all have our preferred drugs. Lets not pit them against each other, because drunks and cokeheads win by force of shouting.

I like people who are unapologetic about their drug intake. I like people who don't feel the need to make excuses. I like people who realise that drinking is a lot more social than sitting around listening to bad psychedelic records (ie weed and booze are not opposed). I like booze, but don't expect other people to. I like most drugs, but I can't stand weed. Choice is the operative word, I don't care what people do, so long as both parties have the choice, it's a-ok with me.

I am a little drunk as I type though.

I wont have to post on this board anymore at one point.You said exactly what was going through my brain

[Disgruntled Youth]

Hey hey hey, Smoke weed everyday.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

So I talked to my little brother today:

Me: You are mentally addicted to pot
Him: So what? I'm never going to quit. I've had withdrawal before, it is really horrible.
Me: come on, it is harder to quit masturbating
Him: No its not
Me: try to quit masturbating for a month
Him: Pot is better than sex, an orgasm lasts 2 seconds
Me: Yeah, but blue balls is no funny issue
Him: So what
Me: Anyways, smoking pot is bad for your lungs, you have asthma, and it has gotten worse since you started and now you have to go see a specialist
Him: So, pot is worth it
Me: Worth getting lung cancer?
Him: you can't get lung cancer from smoking pot

Meanwhile my sister is yelling at me: No matter what you say to him, it isn't going to change his mind, leave him alone!

She is 18 and she got him into pot, she claims to be quitting, but she won't say anything to him.

Maybe I should have them talk to Suchfriends, he is pretty much a walking talking anti-drug.

[Glice]

Mr Julian - I can sympathise with what you're saying, but unfortunately, unless you're careful you run the risk of alienating them, which would be worse.

I used to work with a chap who was worried about his daughter. She was a proper pot-head mess. Pretty girl gone wrong, lethargic, all that lot. He decided to let her smoke in the house. So long as she was with him. He made her whitey every night for a week. Not that I approve of this approach, but by God did it ever work. Part of the thing, sometimes, is rebellion, and your Dad smoking with you really ruins that. She smokes now, but she's a lot more sensible about it. A happy ending, of sorts.

Now. Just for the records: Speed - is a good drug on those very rare ocassions you need to stay up. Everyone knows speed freaks are worse than smack heads, but it's not that bad very, very ocassionally (spend more on it is my advice).

Crack is rubbish. Ten minutes of 'I AM GOOOOOOOODDDD!!!!' and three days of 'i am death'.

Coke is a waste of money, only worth it if you want to destroy all semblance of personality or ocassionally have quite exciting sex.

I've never done H, but I know a few relatively well adjusted people who get by alright. They're not theives, they hold down jobs. They are a very small minority, however.

Acid is great fun, but more than any other drug, don't do it regularly and respect it like it were your life.

Mesc: Is one of the greatest things on God's earth. But take it with extreme caution. This is true of most hallucinagenics. In fact, don't take it, it's a mindwarp.

DMT: You can't get this regularly enough for it to be a problem. Do it a few times in your life and then boast about it to your friends.

Booze: Respect the booze. Learn your lessons young - throw up, make a dick of yourself. Learn the lessons and grow up to be a proper drinker.

I could go on - part of the thing I want to get across here is that the culture attached to weed, more than any other drug, is that people think it is 'ok' more than any other (perhaps with the exception of booze). It's not ok. It'll wreck your life if you let it. Pill heads are usually smart enough to know what they're doing, and the honeymoon period rarely lasts more than a couple of years. Booze has a social function. The other drugs are fun rarities. I contend that weed is dangerous because 'youth culture' has a habit of ignoring the fact that more people than not use weed and become apathetic, antisocial and in a lot of cases paranoid wrecks.

This is my experience, I've done all the well-known drugs (apart from horse) and a few obscurities, and I honestly think weed is the most dangerous (nb I've given up everything apart from booze, fags and ocassional ket or acid since 2 years).

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

before we send naive children into a fog of weed with our bad advice, i would consider, atari ,and i hope you take no offense with this, that without pot perhaps a) your work would be touring museums all over the world and b) you would not engage in long arguments with trolls (this one a more serious one, hah). i do not know really if i'm just talking out of my ass here, and perhaps i am. i think you are smart enough to live by your wits in spite of the pot habit, however i ask (this is a rude question that i make only because the seriousness of the topic)-- are you living life to your full potential? because that is i think the matter at hand. notice im not talking about smoking pot hashish opium for whatever delicious experience (ah the experience), but to make it a chronic habit that undermines whatever talents a person might have. i apologize if i come across as a judgmental shithead, but truly, would you want kids here to emulate your marijuana habit under the assumption it wouldn't affect them? i had to say it. my apologies.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to !@#$%! again

BRAVO! (it's no rag against you atari, it's just that it's the perfect post)

[Inhuman]

 

The new 'cool' thing to do around my area is to be edge just for the pleasure of it. I considered it, but then asked myself whether I would be able to tolerate a life without drugs or alcohol. I ended up saying fuck it, drugs and alcohol are my friends too. It would be hard living without Weed and Datura, let alone alcohol.

[EMMAh]

Originally Posted by Inhuman

 

The new 'cool' thing to do around my area is to be edge just for the pleasure of it. I considered it, but then asked myself whether I would be able to tolerate a life without drugs or alcohol. I ended up saying fuck it, drugs and alcohol are my friends too. It would be hard living without Weed and Datura, let alone alcohol.

Haha there are so many straight edge kids around here!

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by Glice

I don't like weed. I don't like pot heads. I don't like people whining on about the 'benefits' of weed. I don't like the 'alcohols the biggest drug...' blah blah argument.

Weed is a drug. We all have drugs. We all have our preferred drugs. Lets not pit them against each other, because drunks and cokeheads win by force of shouting.

I like people who are unapologetic about their drug intake. I like people who don't feel the need to make excuses. I like people who realise that drinking is a lot more social than sitting around listening to bad psychedelic records (ie weed and booze are not opposed). I like booze, but don't expect other people to. I like most drugs, but I can't stand weed. Choice is the operative word, I don't care what people do, so long as both parties have the choice, it's a-ok with me.

I am a little drunk as I type though.

except for the "liking all drugs" bit, i agree with this post entirely.

now some of my thoughts: i've never played music with more than a little buzz from drinking, the drunker i've been is once i was beginning to lose balance while onstage but i've never been drunk while playing guitar, mainly because i think it's a waste of time, i don't feel inspired when i'm drunk, i mostly feel horny and destructive, not creative. the one time i did weed and jammed with people, i felt like i was the guitarist in creed, meaning like the most uncreative simpleton of a musician, just trying to hold my own and try to play something that i knew sounded like crap with people playing out of time and out of tune and doing this super exaggerated expressions like "this music is SOOOOOOOOO great!!!! we should smoke pot everytime we jammm!!!" while it sounded like four deaf idiots.

i don't like to smoke weed because it makes me introspective and lazy and that's something i battle every fucking day, i don't like to take something to make me feel this way. also, i don't like weed because pot makes most people think they are better than people who don't burn, they think they have this amazing superhuman perception of reality that's beyond what a normal person has and that's a load of crap. people on weed are elitists by nature and i hate that kind of people (for proof, look at suchfriends, even though he really came thru on his last post on the holocaust thread, and remember how marley used to be when he first came on the board?).

i knew a girl who did crack, i met her when she started doing that shit, she was really funny and sarcastic and had a band and had a great voice, later on, she became this lazy moodswinging fuck up who didn't care about anything other than freebasing and bitch about her boyfriends or lack of boyfriends, i lost track of her two years ago, i last saw her on the msn messenger where she told me how she was fine and happy and shit, but it seemed very forced to me. i hope she's doing ok.

i had some rough times lately, and i've considered doing drugs, but i don't even get regularly drunk because of my problems, so getting hooked up on something dumb doesn't seem like it's something that can happen to me, i guess it has to do with personality.

i really hope your brother and sister get better, julian.

[Everyneurotic]

i used to go thru sxe days, one day, in the morning, i would magicmark an X on the back of my hands and wouldn't smoke, drink or pursue girls, out of some kind of temporary insanity i guess. and as soon as the Xs would start to fade away, i would go back to smoking and drinking.

straight edge is just as harmful a vice as doing drugs.

[Inhuman]

Originally Posted by EMMAh

Haha there are so many straight edge kids around here!

I know! I went to a concert at babylon once, and the guy in front of me had X's all the way up his arms, and he was wearing a shirt that said "xXx FUCK DRUGS AND ALCHOHOL. 100% STRAIGHTEDGE". It seems to be pretty big in our area!