beefheart vs zappa - Page 2

Daddylikes · 07.10.2006, 09:42 PM

I think it's evil Cantankerous that men on this Sonic Youth Gossip message board would proposition you sexually.

It makes me ashamed to be male.

Cantankerous · 07.10.2006, 09:42 PM

Stop it! You're hurting me!

Daddylikes · 07.10.2006, 09:44 PM

What do you mean?

TheMadcapLaughs · 07.10.2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by khchris(original)

Kinda shocked that people picked Beefheart. Do people know that it was THE MAGIC BAND and not him that made the music? Maybe people don't really know as much about Capt. Beefheart as they think they do? I dunno.

Zappa all the way. Nobody can hold a candle to Zappa (solo or with MOI).

I dont know what you heard, but captain beefheart wrote every fucking music part (drums, guitar, bass, etc) on Trout Mask Replica and after. He did it on an old piano, and then Drumbo (john french) would write the musical notation out for the band and teach it to them. So no he didn't play any of the main instruments, but its all his fucking vision.

And who cares that beefheart would not be possilbe without frank zappa, that doesn't make zappa better. Although Zappa is cool, its gotta be Beefheart. Hes the greater artist.

Cantankerous · 07.11.2006, 01:15 AM

The Magic Band was great. I'm sure you have all heard me say why.
Ry Cooder.

Signpost · 07.11.2006, 03:50 AM

Beefheart for me.

khchris(original) · 07.11.2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs

I dont know what you heard, but captain beefheart wrote every fucking music part (drums, guitar, bass, etc) on Trout Mask Replica and after. He did it on an old piano, and then Drumbo (john french) would write the musical notation out for the band and teach it to them. So no he didn't play any of the main instruments, but its all his fucking vision.

And who cares that beefheart would not be possilbe without frank zappa, that doesn't make zappa better. Although Zappa is cool, its gotta be Beefheart. Hes the greater artist.

Um...nope. beefheart may have arranged the music, but no, he did not write every piece of music. not even the capt. would have the nerve to say that. Or have you heard of the magic band?

BTW, the magic band carried on without the captain. what do you have to say about that?

BTW, Frank Zappa produced trout mask replica.

whorefrost · 07.11.2006, 08:16 AM

yeah, i also read that captain beefheart fucking taught the magic band how to play each part for trout mask replica. he wrote all the music apparently. zappa isn't bad, exactly... i'm listening to Eureka by Jim O'Rourke and some of it reminds me of Zappa in a way... kind of humourous...

porkmarras · 07.11.2006, 08:17 AM

And you are certainly someone humorous yourself eh?

whorefrost · 07.11.2006, 08:20 AM

porkmarras · 07.11.2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost

sigh

khchris(original) · 07.11.2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost

yeah, i also read that captain beefheart fucking taught the magic band how to play each part for trout mask replica. he wrote all the music apparently. zappa isn't bad, exactly... i'm listening to Eureka by Jim O'Rourke and some of it reminds me of Zappa in a way... kind of humourous...

that's like saying he taught "john lee hooker and howlin' wolf" how to play.

you'd have to be an idiot to think captain beefheart "taught the players how to play".

khchris(original) · 07.11.2006, 08:29 AM

further evidence of Zappa's influence on TROUT MASK REPLICA:

"Zappa explained the unusual circumstances of the recording in 1993: 'I was in the studio mixing some other tapes, and the band that's actually playing on "The Blimp" is actually The Mothers Of Invention. The vocal on "The Blimp" was recorded by telephone. He had just written these lyrics, and he had one of the guys in the band recite it to me over the phone. I taped it in the studio, and recorded it onto the piece of tape that I had up at the time, which was my track. The piece is called "Charles Ives." We used to play it on the '68-'9 tour.'"

sounds like a classic ZAPPA TRACK if you ask me.

Next.

khchris(original) · 07.11.2006, 08:32 AM

um, are you sure Captain Beefheart wrote ALL THE MUSIC???

""China Pig" is an example of Van Vliet at his most spontaneous. Doug Moon visited the house and after he and Van Vliet had played an impromptu version of "Candyman" by Mississippi John Hurt, Van Vliet asked him to 'play one of those 'chunga, chunga, chunga'...' Moon is captured on cassette playing a neat blues figure to Van Vliet's improvised tale of penury with the subject of the story agonizing about whether or not to break open his piggy bank, howling 'I don't wanna kill my china pig.' He describes this glazed pottery beast with decorative painted flowers, and a curly tail, and recounts how a little girl 'used t' put her fingers in its snout.' A decade later, Van Vliet gave another shading on the song, saying: 'It's about how fragile a human being is. I mean the body as opposed to all the forces.' Moon received no credit for the music."

porkmarras · 07.11.2006, 08:32 AM

He who shouts the loudest has never been heard.Sorry.

whorefrost · 07.11.2006, 08:33 AM

ok, he didn't write two of the songs... happy?

khchris(original) · 07.11.2006, 08:41 AM

Captain Beefheart was basically the vocalist/lyricist/poet arranging his singing & lyrics WITH the music of the magic band that sometimes was improved/sometimes not.

Also, without the help of Zappa's production work, TROUT MASK REPLICA wouldn't be the work of art as it is considered today.

I think we all know Zappa still is king.

Next time boys, do your homework before making such silly accusations like, "Captain Beefheart wrote all the music" and "blah blah blah".

Hey, we're all wrong sometimes.

whorefrost · 07.11.2006, 08:48 AM

you're wrong most of the time

whorefrost · 07.11.2006, 08:50 AM

does khchris remind anyone else of eric cartman? try reading his posts in cartman's voice...

khchris(original) · 07.11.2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost

you're wrong most of the time

Kids.

Don't you love followers who pretend to know shit about zappa and beefheart but don't?(LOL!)

Next.

07.10.2006, 09:42 PM	#21
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07.11.2006, 01:15 AM	#25
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View Poll Results: zappa vs beefheart
zappa	10	23.81%
beefheart	32	76.19%
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07.11.2006, 08:16 AM	#28
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,568	yeah, i also read that captain beefheart fucking taught the magic band how to play each part for trout mask replica. he wrote all the music apparently. zappa isn't bad, exactly... i'm listening to Eureka by Jim O'Rourke and some of it reminds me of Zappa in a way... kind of humourous...
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07.11.2006, 08:17 AM	#29
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07.11.2006, 08:20 AM	#30
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07.11.2006, 08:29 AM	#33
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	further evidence of Zappa's influence on TROUT MASK REPLICA: "Zappa explained the unusual circumstances of the recording in 1993: 'I was in the studio mixing some other tapes, and the band that's actually playing on "The Blimp" is actually The Mothers Of Invention. The vocal on "The Blimp" was recorded by telephone. He had just written these lyrics, and he had one of the guys in the band recite it to me over the phone. I taped it in the studio, and recorded it onto the piece of tape that I had up at the time, which was my track. The piece is called "Charles Ives." We used to play it on the '68-'9 tour.'" sounds like a classic ZAPPA TRACK if you ask me. Next.
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07.11.2006, 08:32 AM	#34
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	um, are you sure Captain Beefheart wrote ALL THE MUSIC??? ""China Pig" is an example of Van Vliet at his most spontaneous. Doug Moon visited the house and after he and Van Vliet had played an impromptu version of "Candyman" by Mississippi John Hurt, Van Vliet asked him to 'play one of those 'chunga, chunga, chunga'...' Moon is captured on cassette playing a neat blues figure to Van Vliet's improvised tale of penury with the subject of the story agonizing about whether or not to break open his piggy bank, howling 'I don't wanna kill my china pig.' He describes this glazed pottery beast with decorative painted flowers, and a curly tail, and recounts how a little girl 'used t' put her fingers in its snout.' A decade later, Van Vliet gave another shading on the song, saying: 'It's about how fragile a human being is. I mean the body as opposed to all the forces.' Moon received no credit for the music."
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07.11.2006, 08:33 AM	#36
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,568	ok, he didn't write two of the songs... happy?
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07.11.2006, 08:41 AM	#37
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	Captain Beefheart was basically the vocalist/lyricist/poet arranging his singing & lyrics WITH the music of the magic band that sometimes was improved/sometimes not. Also, without the help of Zappa's production work, TROUT MASK REPLICA wouldn't be the work of art as it is considered today. I think we all know Zappa still is king. Next time boys, do your homework before making such silly accusations like, "Captain Beefheart wrote all the music" and "blah blah blah". Hey, we're all wrong sometimes.
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07.11.2006, 08:48 AM	#38
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,568	you're wrong most of the time
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07.11.2006, 08:50 AM	#39
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