Fall fans gossip about Sonic Youth fans gossiping about MES - Page 3

noisereductions · 12.06.2007, 01:53 PM

(Kidding)

soapbars · 12.06.2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

"Mark's an asshole cuz he says stuff in interviews i don't agree with! I'll never meet him in real life, but he's an asshole with OPINIONS! Fuck him!" Again: who gives a shit? PEOPLE FROM OTHER BANDS DON'T LIKE SONIC YOUTH -- SHOCK OF THE FUCKING YEAR!

Anyway, I've been on their forum before, and it is fucking boring. The people there have worse taste than some of the people on here (in everything: music, movies, etc...). Also, everyone there seems to think "the infotainment scam" was brilliant. So, that shows where their heads are at. Everyone that posts there is a lifeless dullard. Don't mind the colors though.

For the record, The Fall > Sonic Youth ... Sonic Youth message board > The Fall message board.

i agree entirely,

atsonicpark · 12.06.2007, 02:01 PM

Heheh, I love sonic youth's early shit.. I think the last album I really enjoyed by them was ghosts and flowers, though murray street had its moments. Still, I've been posting here for 5-6 years.. I've met tons of cool people, and this board seems to have the highest concentration of non-morons I've ever seen on a music board (though there are still a few morons..). So, regardless, I pledge my allegiance to Sonic Youth fandom even when they're churning out records I don't really care for. The only reason I say "The Fall > Sonic Youth" is because the Fall have more great albums than SY... but of course, they have like 10 more than SY, too, so...

atsonicpark · 12.06.2007, 02:02 PM

Also:

How You Sell Soul to a Souless People Who Sold Their Soul???

noisereductions · 12.06.2007, 02:06 PM

You're referencing Public Enemy?

noisereductions · 12.06.2007, 02:09 PM

Well I've never stopped loving the Youth... and I like the Fall, but don't love them. So to me SY is better. But of course, either way you cut it, it's opinions, much like the ones that spew from MES' mouth. Ha.

It is a good forum, though (here I mean). I used to post on here all the time years and years ago, and then stopped from like 2004 thru 2005. Not sure why.

PAULYBEE2656 · 12.06.2007, 03:48 PM

ha1 how i wish for the old fullerene site so we can attack like the yeah yeah yeahs site! oh fuck it i love the fall and anyone who doesnt just isnt aware of the fact that deep down they do love the fall!!!!

Rob Instigator · 12.06.2007, 04:19 PM

I'd rather listen to ART BRUT

screamingskull · 12.06.2007, 05:03 PM

sonic youth > the fall

✌➬ · 12.06.2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by screamingskull

how much did i ever really talk to you? can't have been much as i don't remember anything personal about you, or even where you are from? Is it california?

I live in L.A., I think someone already said much of what I am.

king_buzzo · 12.06.2007, 05:18 PM

Letz Has Board Bettlezzzz!!!!

who's sending the spam bots?

Everyneurotic · 12.06.2007, 06:58 PM

MARK E SMITH 4 LYFE!!!

anyway, i wouldn't attack them, it's not like it's the game or anything.

SYRFox · 12.07.2007, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I'd rather listen to ART BRUT

Oh come on, Sonic Youth > The Fall > Art Brut.

Even if I like Art Brut (they're lyrics are really funny) - I even own their first album -, you just cannot compare them to The Fall. I hope you were joking at least

CHOUT · 12.07.2007, 02:28 PM

jocks

andrei · 12.07.2007, 02:57 PM

I'll gladly listen to a shity album (Rather Ripped) by a good band of enjoyable and wonderful peoaple (SY) than listen to a better album by a band led by a fucking shity, mean and annoying person (MES).

atsonicpark · 12.07.2007, 04:56 PM

If you actually met half of the people in bands you like, you might find out that they, too, are assholes. Have you met Thurston? No? Have you met Mark E. Smith? No? Okay, then how can you say anything either way? How people portray themselves as an image in a band doesn't necessarily reflect on how they are in person.

I, too, used to say things like what you said.. if I don't like the person, it's hard for me to like their art... and, honestly, it IS hard to get into a band at times if I know they're a bunch of dicks.. but as I've matured, I also realize that there are tons of good racist bands, there are tons of good sexist bands, there are tons of good bands who don't have the same politics as me; you can disagree with the message all you want, but if the music is good -- well, it probably takes a mature person to go, "You know, I don't like you personally, but you are good at what you do." And it took me years to get to that point.

Personally, I've never once had any thoughts of Mark E. Smith as an asshole, I just assume he's highly opionated (and considering how knowledgable he is, I dunno if I can blame him) and his opinions usually rub people the wrong way. And besides, he says things like "WE'RE THE FALL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND US IS YOU'RE IDIOTS!" to a bunch of fans; it's obviously not meant to be taken seriously. And even if it was, so what? It'd be harder to take some of his lyrics seriously if he was portrayed as this sweetheart.

So, whether you like him or not, to say something like "I'd rather listen to a shit album [Rather Ripped] made by nice people"... well, fuck, I'm a REALLY nice guy, in real life I have no enemies at all, buy my album! If that's all it takes, sweet!

Everyneurotic · 12.07.2007, 07:40 PM

mark e smith rules!

andrei · 12.08.2007, 03:47 AM

I have never met MES or TM, but it is a long enough time since i've followed their bands, and for sure you can really know a person from the lyrics and interviews. You can NOT fake what you are for 25 years, everyday. If you can't figure an artist by its work, and if you can not identify with the work, this means you belong somewhere else (generally speaking).
As for the racist, homophobic bands i have to disagree too. It's like listening to Gangsta Rap when you have nothing in common with that ideology, lifestyle, etc. Just because you like the beats, or something like that... In my opinion this is why the current status of good music (i hate the term) is so low in mainstream. People are so easy to be entertained, and there is no interest in finding and discovering the artists. Like Jello Biafara said "Those dumb punk kids will buy anything"

andrei · 12.08.2007, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

So, whether you like him or not, to say something like "I'd rather listen to a shit album [Rather Ripped] made by nice people"... well, fuck, I'm a REALLY nice guy, in real life I have no enemies at all, buy my album! If that's all it takes, sweet!

I don't need no confirmation from the artists as being nice guys. This will never make me buy a record or something like that. There are to many self-acclaimed sweet people in the music industry, and there are at least twice as many brain-dead fucks, who will buy and listen their records without giving a second thought or even without knowing why he bought or listened to that artist/record. (There are countless reasons for being a poser). I wish i knew English better...

PAULYBEE2656 · 12.08.2007, 06:49 AM

ive met thurston and ive met mark e smith..

thurston ultra nice. polite..
mark e turned to me and said "never meet yr heroes" smirked winked and walked asway.... it was surreal!

12.06.2007, 01:53 PM	#41
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12.06.2007, 02:01 PM	#43
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Heheh, I love sonic youth's early shit.. I think the last album I really enjoyed by them was ghosts and flowers, though murray street had its moments. Still, I've been posting here for 5-6 years.. I've met tons of cool people, and this board seems to have the highest concentration of non-morons I've ever seen on a music board (though there are still a few morons..). So, regardless, I pledge my allegiance to Sonic Youth fandom even when they're churning out records I don't really care for. The only reason I say "The Fall > Sonic Youth" is because the Fall have more great albums than SY... but of course, they have like 10 more than SY, too, so... __________________
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12.06.2007, 02:02 PM	#44
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Also: How You Sell Soul to a Souless People Who Sold Their Soul??? __________________
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12.06.2007, 02:06 PM	#45
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	You're referencing Public Enemy?
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12.06.2007, 02:09 PM	#46
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	Well I've never stopped loving the Youth... and I like the Fall, but don't love them. So to me SY is better. But of course, either way you cut it, it's opinions, much like the ones that spew from MES' mouth. Ha. It is a good forum, though (here I mean). I used to post on here all the time years and years ago, and then stopped from like 2004 thru 2005. Not sure why.
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12.06.2007, 03:48 PM	#47
PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	ha1 how i wish for the old fullerene site so we can attack like the yeah yeah yeahs site! oh fuck it i love the fall and anyone who doesnt just isnt aware of the fact that deep down they do love the fall!!!! __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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12.06.2007, 04:19 PM	#48
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,930	I'd rather listen to ART BRUT __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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12.06.2007, 05:03 PM	#49
screamingskull invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: england Posts: 5,580	sonic youth > the fall
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12.06.2007, 05:18 PM	#51
king_buzzo invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,110	Letz Has Board Bettlezzzz!!!! who's sending the spam bots?
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12.06.2007, 06:58 PM	#52
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	MARK E SMITH 4 LYFE!!! anyway, i wouldn't attack them, it's not like it's the game or anything. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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12.07.2007, 02:28 PM	#54
CHOUT invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 3,128	jocks __________________ Chout's rare Sonic Youth vids: http://youtube.com/SONICchout
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12.07.2007, 02:57 PM	#55
andrei expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,686	I'll gladly listen to a shity album (Rather Ripped) by a good band of enjoyable and wonderful peoaple (SY) than listen to a better album by a band led by a fucking shity, mean and annoying person (MES).
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12.07.2007, 04:56 PM	#56
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	If you actually met half of the people in bands you like, you might find out that they, too, are assholes. Have you met Thurston? No? Have you met Mark E. Smith? No? Okay, then how can you say anything either way? How people portray themselves as an image in a band doesn't necessarily reflect on how they are in person. I, too, used to say things like what you said.. if I don't like the person, it's hard for me to like their art... and, honestly, it IS hard to get into a band at times if I know they're a bunch of dicks.. but as I've matured, I also realize that there are tons of good racist bands, there are tons of good sexist bands, there are tons of good bands who don't have the same politics as me; you can disagree with the message all you want, but if the music is good -- well, it probably takes a mature person to go, "You know, I don't like you personally, but you are good at what you do." And it took me years to get to that point. Personally, I've never once had any thoughts of Mark E. Smith as an asshole, I just assume he's highly opionated (and considering how knowledgable he is, I dunno if I can blame him) and his opinions usually rub people the wrong way. And besides, he says things like "WE'RE THE FALL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND US IS YOU'RE IDIOTS!" to a bunch of fans; it's obviously not meant to be taken seriously. And even if it was, so what? It'd be harder to take some of his lyrics seriously if he was portrayed as this sweetheart. So, whether you like him or not, to say something like "I'd rather listen to a shit album [Rather Ripped] made by nice people"... well, fuck, I'm a REALLY nice guy, in real life I have no enemies at all, buy my album! If that's all it takes, sweet! __________________
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12.07.2007, 07:40 PM	#57
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	mark e smith rules! __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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12.08.2007, 03:47 AM	#58
andrei expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,686	I have never met MES or TM, but it is a long enough time since i've followed their bands, and for sure you can really know a person from the lyrics and interviews. You can NOT fake what you are for 25 years, everyday. If you can't figure an artist by its work, and if you can not identify with the work, this means you belong somewhere else (generally speaking). As for the racist, homophobic bands i have to disagree too. It's like listening to Gangsta Rap when you have nothing in common with that ideology, lifestyle, etc. Just because you like the beats, or something like that... In my opinion this is why the current status of good music (i hate the term) is so low in mainstream. People are so easy to be entertained, and there is no interest in finding and discovering the artists. Like Jello Biafara said "Those dumb punk kids will buy anything"
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12.08.2007, 06:49 AM	#60
PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	ive met thurston and ive met mark e smith.. thurston ultra nice. polite.. mark e turned to me and said "never meet yr heroes" smirked winked and walked asway.... it was surreal! __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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