Go Back   Sonic Youth Gossip > Non-Sonic Sounds
Reload this Page Penderecki
Register FAQ Members List Mark Forums Read

 
Thread Tools
Old 03.12.2011, 01:20 AM   #1
atsonicpark
invito al cielo
 
atsonicpark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 28,843
atsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's asses
who else is into Penderecki? this shit is awesome. Genuinely terrifying at certain points, even.
__________________




 
atsonicpark is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 06:02 AM   #2
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,664
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
He's an odd one - I always struggle to place him. There's such a massive difference between the avant and the later stuff, he's almost like two composers. Great, but I sort of feel he's a bit gimmicky.
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 06:05 AM   #3
atsonicpark
invito al cielo
 
atsonicpark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 28,843
atsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's asses
What's your favorite stuff by him, Glice? I'll admit I have only heard a little bit by him, but I have something by him mysteriously called "matrix 5"
that I find particularly impressive.
__________________




 
atsonicpark is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 07:04 AM   #4
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,664
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
Seven Gates of Jerusalem is probably the one I listen to most. That Matrix 5 is a collection of his noisier early pieces, right? I tend to think that the 'noise'/ enharmonic aesthetic was something he sort of explored for effect, rather than because of an immediate interest in the sound itself (unlike, say, Ligeti or Xenakis). I don't know, he's definitely good, but he's sort of more of a minor figure, in my mind. You should probably check out Stabat Mater though, that's one of the 20th century's better choral things (NB I don't really like choral music except Tallis and Bruckner)
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 10:49 AM   #5
Savage Clone
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,285
Savage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's asses
Saragossa Manuscript soundtrack is a big favorite.
Savage Clone is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 11:06 AM   #6
atsonicpark
invito al cielo
 
atsonicpark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 28,843
atsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's asses
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glice
Seven Gates of Jerusalem is probably the one I listen to most. That Matrix 5 is a collection of his noisier early pieces, right? I tend to think that the 'noise'/ enharmonic aesthetic was something he sort of explored for effect, rather than because of an immediate interest in the sound itself (unlike, say, Ligeti or Xenakis). I don't know, he's definitely good, but he's sort of more of a minor figure, in my mind. You should probably check out Stabat Mater though, that's one of the 20th century's better choral things (NB I don't really like choral music except Tallis and Bruckner)

Cool, thanks, informative as always; yeah, Matrix 5 is noisey in parts, almost DUMITRESCU ish, which is what attracted me to him to begin with. Seven Gates of Jerusalem is another one I have that I really really like.
__________________




 
atsonicpark is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 12:55 PM   #7
themawt71
the destroyed room
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: chicago
Posts: 569
themawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's assesthemawt71 kicks all y'all's asses
[quote= (NB I don't really like choral music except Tallis and Bruckner)[/QUOTE]

Have you listened to any of morton feldman's choral stuff? Rothko chapel is an obvious one but so so good! Christian Wolff in cambridge is another good one. I generally am not a fan of choral music either but Feldman has a really cool approach.
themawt71 is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 01:27 PM   #8
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,664
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
Feldman is G_d of all. But I think of him for his piano works more. And Rothko chapel isn't that Choral-y (at least, by comparison to something like Spem In Alium). But you make a good point. In as far as no thread should seriously be allowed to pass without mentioning that Feldman is amazing.
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 02:04 PM   #9
Derek
invito al cielo
 
Derek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,095
Derek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's assesDerek kicks all y'all's asses
Feldman rips my balls off.
Derek is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 03.12.2011, 02:49 PM   #10
Savage Clone
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,285
Savage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's asses
Try "Some Bright Stars For Queens College" by David Bedford.
80 schoolgirl voices and plastic wind tubes.
Savage Clone is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 04.09.2011, 02:21 PM   #11
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,664
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
I've had an LP of Penderecki's Magnificat for a while. I apparently didn't listen to it properly before, as it's really quite good. The vocal glissandi are pretty impressive - it's made me think there's a 'middle period', rather than tonal/ enharmonic switch. Of course, liturgical works tend to be a composer's best stuff.
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 04.23.2011, 11:37 PM   #12
The Watcher
children of satan
 
The Watcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 365
The Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's assesThe Watcher kicks all y'all's asses
I read somewhere (wikipedia most likely so you know it's reliable ha ha) that someone suggested he change the title from OP. 67 or whatever to "Threnody To The Victims Of Hiroshima" and low and behold it helped increase people's awareness of him..... Fucking great composer and that's a great tune but I'll always remember that particular little anecdote.........
The Watcher is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 04.24.2011, 04:12 AM   #13
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,664
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
It's an interesting point about the avant-garde in general - if you attach it to a recognisable narrative, it makes it more popular. He could've stuck to the original title (which was its length in time, I think?) but it would've been less easy to give the mess of noise a recognisable identity.
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 04.24.2011, 07:25 AM   #14
atsonicpark
invito al cielo
 
atsonicpark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 28,843
atsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's assesatsonicpark kicks all y'all's asses
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Watcher
I read somewhere (wikipedia most likely so you know it's reliable ha ha) that someone suggested he change the title from OP. 67 or whatever to "Threnody To The Victims Of Hiroshima" and low and behold it helped increase people's awareness of him..... Fucking great composer and that's a great tune but I'll always remember that particular little anecdote.........

hey dude, welcome to the board, I just read some of your recent posts, and you seem pretty awesome.
__________________




 
atsonicpark is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 04.25.2011, 10:26 PM   #15
fugazifan
invito al cielo
 
fugazifan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,816
fugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's assesfugazifan kicks all y'all's asses
stabt mater of his is great. i really need to listen to more of his stuff.
and yes, feldman is amazing.
there is something in his textures that blows me away, also because a lot of his stuff, like rothko chapel, seems pretty, dare i say, simple. and yet e achieves so much with his sparcity.
__________________
If there's been a way to build it,
There'll be a way to destroy it,
Things are not that out of control

www.myspace.com/dellilahtheband
www.myspace.com/lecirquedesvampiresmusic
fugazifan is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|


Thread Tools

All content ©2006 Sonic Youth