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Old 08.20.2018, 07:42 PM   #1
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Sorry if this has already been discussed (it's been five years, after all), but I was extracting the audio from The Rising Tide: Last Night On Earth Demos And Rehearsals with Exact Audio Copy and the program froze at around 80%, which is about 17 minutes into the last track, "The Rising Tide [012313] [Dust Rehearsal Session]" (the one that lasts 25:26). I took out the disc, cleaned it, tried again twice; since shit kept happening, I gave up and changed EAC's extraction method to "fast mode" so that I could at least hear what the hell this was about — sure enough, there's a TACK-TACK-TACK-TACK sound from there until the end of the track, and no, it doesn't have anything to do with the song, you smartypants.

Played then the disc directly on a good ole CD player. Same problem. Great, the disc was fucked (not that you could tell by looking at it — zero visual indication of such an apocalyptic issue). So THEN I remembered, Hey, wait a minute, I actually have another copy! Brand new, factory sealed, ULTRAMINT! Fuckin' awesome...! Except no, no awesomeness: THE BRAND NEW CD WAS EXACTLY AS FUCKED AS THE PREVIOUS ONE. I wanted to shoot myself in the FACE.

Final try: got a file via SoulSeek (sue me; it was for experimental reasons, scientific method 101: isolate the variables). Wanna guess what the downloaded track sounded like? Yes, it sounded fucked up, in the same way.

Listen to the horror yourselves in the format of your choice:

FLAC (118 MB)

128kbps mp3 (24 MB)

So what do I do? Should I go to https://sonicyouth.kungfustore.com/s...-lee41-cd.html and hope the third time's the charm? Or is it safe to assume that every copy has the same demonic defect?
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Old 08.20.2018, 10:20 PM   #2
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It sounds like its a "digital pressing error" at the "plant", I wouldn't spend any more money on more "copies".

I would contact Matador, however on Discogs it has the following on this release under notes:

"...There is a mistake with track numbers on Disc 2. Number 6 is missing so we jump from 5 to 7." Whatever that means...

Unfortunately I do not own a copy of this to validate or refute this error.

My friend/contact at the Matador warehouse in NYC is no longer (he moved onto another label distributor) so I can't ask him.


Errors like this though rare, do happen... Like when I got an early vinyl pressing of Thurston's Best Day and the pressing quality was atrocious and ended up getting a better copy later because of one pressing plant's issues...
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Old 08.21.2018, 03:57 AM   #3
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If I recall correctly Exact Audio Copy in secure mode gave me grief as well for one or two tracks, but my hard drive is at work right now.

Will also check apollo.rip and redacted.ch.

If I don't post an update here tomorrow feel free to ping me at the usual email address.
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Old 08.21.2018, 04:13 AM   #4
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Mine seems to be ok, though I've only checked it on my ipod so far though this was ripped from the CD. I'm in the UK though, so maybe it's a pressing plant thing if you're in the US?
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Old 08.21.2018, 04:25 AM   #5
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Mine seems to be ok, though I've only checked it on my ipod so far though this was ripped from the CD. I'm in the UK though, so maybe it's a pressing plant thing if you're in the US?


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1: Did you use iTunes? That's a notoriously unreliable ripper
2: There's only one edition/pressing (limited to 1000 copies)
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I probably did use iTunes at the time but it worked OK. Will check the CD when I get home
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I just ripped both CD's with Exact Audio Copy and had no problems. They were converted directly to flac. I always choose the option: Action > Test & Copy Selected Tracks > Compressed, and the Compressed option is set up so that the files are converted to flac format.

And the resulting flac-files play fine in WinAmp (didn't listen to the entire discs yet of course but picking random spots on all tracks, no skipping or bad whatever anywhere.



What is Secure Mode though? I think I'm in secure mode, I felt very secure when ripping these discs.


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yes, I've got EAC setup in Secure Mode with following options:
- Enabled: 'Accurate Stream' feature
- Disabled: Drive caches audio data
- Disabled: Drive is able to retrieve C2 error information


if you have the cache option enabled, perhaps you could try with the option disabled? Maybe cache can't handle larger files? I've no idea if that makes any sense.
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Old 08.21.2018, 05:06 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by scott v
I would contact Matador

The Rising Tide is a Lazy Eight set only, no Matador involved.

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however on Discogs it has the following on this release under notes:

"...There is a mistake with track numbers on Disc 2. Number 6 is missing so we jump from 5 to 7." Whatever that means...

It just means it's printed incorrectly on the artwork. "Lecce Leaving (Acoustic Session)" should be number 6, but it's listed as 7, and so if you go by that the disc appears to have 9 tracks, while they're actually 8.

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I just ripped both CD's with Exact Audio Copy and had no problems. They were converted directly to flac. I always choose the option: Action > Test & Copy Selected Tracks > Compressed, and the Compressed option is set up so that the files are converted to flac format.

And the resulting flac-files play fine in WinAmp (didn't listen to the entire discs yet of course but picking random spots on all tracks, no skipping or bad whatever anywhere.

I extract and convert the audio just like you say. The sonic problem (huh) isn't anywhere but where I indicated, from approximately 17 minutes into the second disc's last track until its end.

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Originally Posted by _tunic_
edit:
yes, I've got EAC setup in Secure Mode with following options:
- Enabled: 'Accurate Stream' feature
- Disabled: Drive caches audio data
- Disabled: Drive is able to retrieve C2 error information

Again, same configuration, although I've also tweaked it sometimes.

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Originally Posted by _tunic_
if you have the cache option enabled, perhaps you could try with the option disabled? Maybe cache can't handle larger files? I've no idea if that makes any sense.

Here's where we arrive to the crux of the issue: the fact that the disc shows the same fuckedupness when played on a standalone/stereo system CD player proves the disc itself, not the extraction, is the problem. And since, as rappard correctly points out (and I should have factored this in before), "There's only one edition/pressing (limited to 1000 copies)", then shit is what it is.

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I think I'm in secure mode, I felt very secure when ripping these discs.
Hahaha!


Anyway ... I think we already reached a conclusion, but just for the heck of it (and to satisfy my obsessive-compulsive disorder):

Log here:
* http://pastebin.com/XDn4ziZs

As you can see I aborted track 8 when ripping (I usually do this when Exact Audio Copy gets stuck), and re-ripped in fast mode - but then CRCs did not match.

Said track uploaded here:
* http://we.tl/t-A2obZvLZfe

Hope this helps to cement our collective findings.
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Old 08.22.2018, 10:28 AM   #10
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here is the EAC log of my CD2. No errors are reported

I'm not going to publicly share the track, but lemme know if anyone wants it. I'll share the both CD rips in flac


The only difference that I can see in the log of track 8 compared to the other tracks is that track 8 says the following:
Accurately ripped (confidence 1)
where all other tracks show:
Accurately ripped (confidence 2)

I tried to google what this difference means and this explains it:
Quote:
This number is the number of matches. So "150" means 150 other people have ripped this CD and received the same audio CRC (a match). A "2" means two other people have ripped this disk and reported a match with your rip. Even 2 is a good thing as this is equivalent to you ripping 3 different copies of your CD on 3 different computers with 3 different disk drives, etc. and you get the same bitperfect output all 3 times (yours and the two matching).




Addition:
compared to rappard, I'm using newer version of EAC ( V1.3 from 2. September 2016 versus V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008). v1.3 is still the latest version.
have you ever tried it with newer EAC version? Or is you disc corrupt same as Soup?
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