[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Actually, anarchism and communism are nearly exactly the same thing in their ideal forms. Cooperative and collective living without governmental authority is essentially the goal of both.
Unfortunately, greed and the lust for power are inherent parts of certain segments of the human population.
There will always be people who want dominion and there will always be people who want more than they need. There will also always be people who won't contribute to the collective good.
These things can only work in isolated communities of like-minded people. on a large scale, they are impossible.
The strong dominate the weak, the clever dominate the strong. That's pretty much how it works, no matter how "sophisticated" we think we are becoming.
People suck.

Did they teach you that in college?

[Savage Clone]

I was a fucking English major. And I dropped out in my senior year.
I had a strong interest in anarchism at one time, that's all.
Extracurricular reading.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

I was a fucking English major. And I dropped out in my senior year.

And I was supposed to know that?

[Savage Clone]

Well, I have been known to post the occasional longwinded diatribe about these things...
My comments about human nature come from a combination of reading and living in a society in which I see the idiocy and depravity of the human race thrust in my face on a daily basis. I think it's the logical conclusion one comes to after a while.

[DemonBox]

Originally Posted by wax

eh?
thats not what i asked.
im interested to know what you do to work towards this. in what way you fight.

Oh, I'm sorry, I've had a few beers. I'm in the Communist Party's youth organisation, and we figth against things that are happening on a more local basis, but we're trying to get people with us. We're trying first of all to make a change here in Norway.

Just now we're figthing against a "pimp-and-hoe" party that is beeing held at a local club in my hometown. It's a party where people are dressing up like pimps and whores, it's totally glamorising the sex-industry, and I mean that's wrong.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Well, I have been known to post the occasional longwinded diatribe about these things...
My comments about human nature come from a combination of reading and living in a society in which I see the idiocy and depravity of the human race thrust in my face on a daily basis. I think it's the logical conclusion one comes to after a while.

oh, drone.

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by DemonBox

Oh, I'm sorry, I've had a few beers. I'm in the Communist Party's youth organisation, and we figth against things that are happening on a more local basis, but we're trying to get people with us. We're trying first of all to make a change here in Norway.

Just now we're figthing against a "pimp-and-hoe" party that is beeing held at a local club in my hometown. It's a party where people are dressing up like pimps and whores, it's totally glamorising the sex-industry, and I mean that's wrong.

It's called an irreverent sense of humor.
What you are doing is at best promoting a lack of humor and at worst it is thought control.
There are much more important issues.

[Cantankerous]

I'm sorry I'm not up to your standards. I'll try harder next time.

[Savage Clone]

I was talking to Demon Box.
Edited accordingly.

[Cantankerous]

I still think you've just got your panties in a bunch over the Chris Frantz thing.

[Savage Clone]

Underwear is for suckers.

[Cantankerous]

Hayden will be pleased to hear this statement coming from you / I couldn't agree more.

[wax]

Originally Posted by DemonBox

Oh, I'm sorry, I've had a few beers. I'm in the Communist Party's youth organisation, and we figth against things that are happening on a more local basis, but we're trying to get people with us. We're trying first of all to make a change here in Norway.

Just now we're figthing against a "pimp-and-hoe" party that is beeing held at a local club in my hometown. It's a party where people are dressing up like pimps and whores, it's totally glamorising the sex-industry, and I mean that's wrong.

fighting to stop the party happening?
i like to have the freedom to go to whatever party i want to. id steer well clear of a pimp and ho party, but id defend the right for people to go to it if they wanted.
id rather live amongst people who didnt want to go to such things, not amongst people who didnt have the right to because others disagree with it.
you are messing with peoples freedom to do as they wish.
if someone messed with your freedom to join the communist party, i think you would be a bit pissed off.

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Catankerous, did you ever get that Communist Party shirt??

[Cantankerous]

you know, i actually did buy it, but i ended up buying it as a gift for someone else.

[DemonBox]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

It's called an irreverent sense of humor.
What you are doing is at best promoting a lack of humor and at worst it is thought control.
There are much more important issues.

No, it's not funny. I don't think it's thought control either, we just say what we mean. And yeah, it's more important issues, but this is happening in my local area, and it's happening now, and I'm not tunring the blind eye to this crap. I mean, It's a students club, and they should know more than this. I don't think trafficking is fun, and this party is just making it more social acceptable. I don't wanna be a fucking pimp.

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by DemonBox

No, it's not funny. I don't think it's thought control either, we just say what we mean. And yeah, it's more important issues, but this is happening in my local area, and it's happening now, and I'm not tunring the blind eye to this crap. I mean, It's a students club, and they should know more than this. I don't think trafficking is fun, and this party is just making it more social acceptable. I don't wanna be a fucking pimp.

You don't have to be a pimp.
You don't have to go to the party.
Being a prostitute or a pimp is never going to be considered "acceptable" by mainstream society and you know it, party or no party.
It's called free expression. You know, the cornerstone of a free society?
People can say or dress however they want.
Just because something is stupid or objectionable to your personal point of view doesn't mean it needs to be suppressed.
This applies to White Power groups, Anti-Semitic groups, religious separatists, people who don't want their children marrying outside their religion, all of it.
People should be free to hold and express their beliefs, no matter how inane, stupid or crazy they seem to others. Free speech cuts many ways, and you need to take the hit sometimes for this principle, which is extremely important.

Political correctness IS thought control, and it is easily as dangerous as any tool of oppression.

[DemonBox]

So, why is it social acceptable for kids at my school to call themselfs pimps, and singing along to 50 cents P.I.M.P. lyrics? It's just fucked up.

[Пятхъдесят Шест]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

you know, i actually did buy it, but i ended up buying it as a gift for someone else.

I guess I know what to expect for Christmas from you.

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by DemonBox

So, why is it social acceptable for kids at my school to call themselfs pimps, and singing along to 50 cents P.I.M.P. lyrics? It's just fucked up.

Well, the word "pimp" has taken on a new meaning in current slang, for better or worse.
Is the old term "Lady-Killer" better or worse?
How about "Man Eater" for the ladies?
"Fucked up" it may be, but no one should suppress ideas or expression, fucked up or not.
I'm sure you realize "Fucked up" is in the eye of the beholder.