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Old 06.18.2019, 03:38 PM   #24101
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Yeah that bit where Jagger reading that long passage. Alright lad, move it along.
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Always loved Fox's line to Jagger, "You'll look funny when you're fifty"

But seriously, I think it's a brilliant film. It feels authentic in a way that say Blow Up never does. Everyone, especially in the 2nd half, feels like they're essentially just playing themselves, like they're not even trying to be anyone else, lending it an almost documentary feel. Just stick a handful of egomaniacal narcissists in a house, give them some drugs and set the cameras rolling. Definitely my favourite British 'sixties' film.
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Had to watch this for Media. Quite enjoyed it, it set up its premise well
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Had to watch this for Media. Quite enjoyed it, it set up its premise well


Still think this is whatshisname’s best.

Shame they had to muck it up with a trilogy
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Still think this is whatshisname’s best.

Shame they had to muck it up with a trilogy
I've never actually seen an M. Night Shyamalan film until now - from what I've gathered on the internet, he seems to have flanderised like nothing else.

I didn't expect the twist at the end, but I'm a very oblivious person when it comes to these things. (Dad prides himself on picking The Sixth Sense early.)
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I've never actually seen an M. Night Shyamalan film until now - from what I've gathered on the internet, he seems to have flanderised like nothing else.

I didn't expect the twist at the end, but I'm a very oblivious person when it comes to these things. (Dad prides himself on picking The Sixth Sense early.)

Sixth Sense was an easy spot.

So was Unbreakable, but I’m saying that 20 years after first seeing it so maybe I’m full of shit
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This had been on my to-watch list for the longest time and you two spurred me to do it so I chose it for film night last Sunday.

I really enjoyed it. A lot more than I expected. Notable points-

I could never tell whether the guy who plays the mob boss was terrible or did that style of acting so well because he was actually decent. I leaning towards he was terrible.

Anita Pallenberg. My god *bites fist*

Some of the ideas in it were well ahead of its time. The whole cross dressing, androgyny and gender fluidity is pretty out there for the period.

The last shot where you think it's James fox being taken away and then it turns out to be Mick Jagger was just stupid. There was no need for it. All it does is make people "ooh what does it mean" when actually it doesn't mean anything.

To be a fly on the wall for Jagger's life in that period would have been something.
haha yeah la pallenberg was something

i don’t know that it was ahead of its time with the crossdressing specifically. people had been there long before

 


if anything the revolution is this was more explicit where old hollywood was more coded, but that was the glorious 70s letting it all hang out.

it wasnt just the clothes, check out the way jagger was lit on some of those scenes. it’s the kind of glamour light that was used for (again) marlene dietrich, or lauren bacall.

 

 



i.. disagree with your last shot evaluation. i definitely said “what was that about” but did not feel tricked or conned or cheated nor think now in retrospect that i was.

we’ve taken enough shrooms to get a whole vietnam platoon high. we’ve been already in psychedelic space for more than half the movie. we’ve talked about performance and the demon that has left them. we’ve swapped hair, roles, clothes, genders, everything. the whole foundation of the gangster genre has been shattered. i mean the narrative style of the beginning should suffice to show that, but it goes way beyond into a whole questioning of “reality”.

the gunshot? turner (turner! not a random name) offers himself rather than... the shot is... what the fuck is it? the head, opening like a tunnel? the randy newman lyrics? sure, shootin my supply through my demon’s eye could just be read in the ejaculate sense or maybe something else? i don’t think it’s a simple swap, i think it’s meant to be a lot more ambiguous and have you wonder. has the demon moved on/swapped heads? is chas going to his greatest performance having taken on turner’s demon? is chas doing a turner performance after turner did a chas performance?

also “persona” came way first, with psychoanalysis i stead of shrooms. it’s not a completely new thing it’s just more colorful. per so na per for mance

also this reminds me of the cortázar story, la noche boca arriba. lml @ translation... i can’t find it. roughly “the night lying prone” or something, great little short story. if “blow up” came from him i wonder if this text had some sort of influence here. i’d suspect it had, said or unsaid.

anyway it’s not that, was my point, it’s not a “trick”, or a gimmick, it’s a larger mindfuck overall, and central to the movie, which is why it’s fucking great. it’s really not reducible to explanations... but if it is i wouldn’t wanna.
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the year is the oddity there. it feels like a much older film. but also... timeless.

ah damn, and he knew how to pick his non-actors (who went on to act..)

 
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a note on light

the classic way to light up the subjects in hollywood was very gendered. here is a great example of it

the men are lit from the side which sharpens the features and lines of the face and is more “macho”

 


the women are lit from above, the higher the better, which softens/erases any wrinkles and reduces any possible double chin
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this is still used to this day

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the light is gendered/gendering
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SO, in performance, check it out

who is lit brighter, and from a higher angle?


 


whose features are made softer?

 


not all the time, of course

 
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i.. disagree with your last shot evaluation. i definitely said “what was that about” but did not feel tricked or conned or cheated nor think now in retrospect that i was.

we’ve taken enough shrooms to get a whole vietnam platoon high. we’ve been already in psychedelic space for more than half the movie. we’ve talked about performance and the demon that has left them. we’ve swapped hair, roles, clothes, genders, everything. the whole foundation of the gangster genre has been shattered. i mean the narrative style of the beginning should suffice to show that, but it goes way beyond into a whole questioning of “reality”.

the gunshot? turner (turner! not a random name) offers himself rather than... the shot is... what the fuck is it? the head, opening like a tunnel? the randy newman lyrics? sure, shootin my supply through my demon’s eye could just be read in the ejaculate sense or maybe something else? i don’t think it’s a simple swap, i think it’s meant to be a lot more ambiguous and have you wonder. has the demon moved on/swapped heads? is chas going to his greatest performance having taken on turner’s demon? is chas doing a turner performance after turner did a chas performance?

also “persona” came way first, with psychoanalysis i stead of shrooms. it’s not a completely new thing it’s just more colorful. per so na per for mance

also this reminds me of the cortázar story, la noche boca arriba. lml @ translation... i can’t find it. roughly “the night lying prone” or something, great little short story. if “blow up” came from him i wonder if this text had some sort of influence here. i’d suspect it had, said or unsaid.

anyway it’s not that, was my point, it’s not a “trick”, it’s a larger mindfuck overall, which is why it’s fucking great. it’s really not reducible to explanations... but if it is i wouldn’t wanna.

I think it was always meant to be a riddle but Cammell had constant interference from Warners while editing it and I think the final version we've all seen (and which I think is the only version we'll ever see) was full of holes.

Some rumours circulating about the actual shoot:

Mick and Anita were really at it in the sex scenes.

Keef apparently heard about this and had a one-night-stand with Marianne Faithful to get revenge.

Kenneth Anger was a constant presence on the set and was supposedly Jagger's inspiration for Turner.

William Burroughs was meant to play the judge

James Fox was in the midst of becoming a born again Christian and had a nervous breakdown straight after the film was finished.
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I think it was always meant to be a riddle but Cammell had constant interference from Warners while editing it and I think the final version we've all seen (and which I think is the only version we'll ever see) was full of holes.

Some rumours circulating about the actual shoot:

Mick and Anita were really at it in the sex scenes.

Keef apparently heard about this and had a one-night-stand with Marianne Faithful to get revenge.

Kenneth Anger was a constant presence on the set and was supposedly Jagger's inspiration for Turner.

William Burroughs was meant to play the judge

James Fox was in the midst of becoming a born again Christian and had a nervous breakdown straight after the film was finished.
yeah i edited above to add that i thought the ending was central to the movie. i read that they [jagger/pallenberg] had fucked but i wasn’t aware of the wider (hilarious) soap opera.

as for the edit, i could see what would be holes in it i guess, but i suppose i’m willing to accept them as a complete expression of a fluid reality, ha ha ha.
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I don't think the final edit hid any huge revelation in terms of meaning. Cammell did it himself and I think Warners was more concerned with cutting down on the sex than anything to do with the story. But it all adds to its esoteric charm.

Anger in London at the time of the shoot:

 


You can definitely see where Jagger got his look from.
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wow i had never seen anger with long hair

where is that photo from/ what head is that?
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anyway...

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pickpocket (1959)

the year is the oddity there. it feels like a much older film. but also... timeless.

ah damn, and he knew how to pick his non-actors (who went on to act..)

 

Love this film. The final scene, with the embrace and the music that plays out of the silence of the film always hits me profoundly. Bresson! So bleak but so graceful.
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where is that photo from/ what head is that?

It's from the set of Invocation, in London, at the same time Performance was being made.

No idea what the head is.
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Has anyone else seen this?
For some reason it’s being streamed as an “Amazon Original” on Prime, even though it definitely wasn’t an Amazon Original.

Anyway, curious.


It did get a fairly limited release in theaters late last year. One of my faves of 2018. It rambles a bit (especially with the Swinton "other" character) but it's an assured remake that fosters the original's eerie 70's vibe while creating something wholly new in the process. Identity, repressed guilt (which allows Guadagnino to survey the whole history of German nationalism, basically) and some wicked bloodshed all make for an underrated movie.
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haha yeah la pallenberg was something

i don’t know that it was ahead of its time with the crossdressing specifically. people had been there long before

 


if anything the revolution is this was more explicit where old hollywood was more coded, but that was the glorious 70s letting it all hang out.

it wasnt just the clothes, check out the way jagger was lit on some of those scenes. it’s the kind of glamour light that was used for (again) marlene dietrich, or lauren bacall.

 

 



i.. disagree with your last shot evaluation. i definitely said “what was that about” but did not feel tricked or conned or cheated nor think now in retrospect that i was.

we’ve taken enough shrooms to get a whole vietnam platoon high. we’ve been already in psychedelic space for more than half the movie. we’ve talked about performance and the demon that has left them. we’ve swapped hair, roles, clothes, genders, everything. the whole foundation of the gangster genre has been shattered. i mean the narrative style of the beginning should suffice to show that, but it goes way beyond into a whole questioning of “reality”.

the gunshot? turner (turner! not a random name) offers himself rather than... the shot is... what the fuck is it? the head, opening like a tunnel? the randy newman lyrics? sure, shootin my supply through my demon’s eye could just be read in the ejaculate sense or maybe something else? i don’t think it’s a simple swap, i think it’s meant to be a lot more ambiguous and have you wonder. has the demon moved on/swapped heads? is chas going to his greatest performance having taken on turner’s demon? is chas doing a turner performance after turner did a chas performance?

also “persona” came way first, with psychoanalysis i stead of shrooms. it’s not a completely new thing it’s just more colorful. per so na per for mance

also this reminds me of the cortázar story, la noche boca arriba. lml @ translation... i can’t find it. roughly “the night lying prone” or something, great little short story. if “blow up” came from him i wonder if this text had some sort of influence here. i’d suspect it had, said or unsaid.

anyway it’s not that, was my point, it’s not a “trick”, or a gimmick, it’s a larger mindfuck overall, and central to the movie, which is why it’s fucking great. it’s really not reducible to explanations... but if it is i wouldn’t wanna.

Nah man, a female crossdressing to a male was nowhere near as controversial as the other way round. Hence why you can find the examples of Dietrich doing it in that period and not guys.
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