[gmku]

...it's well known.

But what else have you read since American Lit 101?

Today I picked up Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-1982 by Simon Reynolds. Looks fairly interesting.

[Norma J]

Ballad of a Thin Man. Great song.

"Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr Jones?"

[jheii]

I've recently discovered Evelyn Waugh. I never took English 101 though. I'm a bum like that. Is Fitzgerald really all that impressive though? I've yet to make up my mind. I've also been reading through some Wordsworth and Whitman. Waugh, Wordsworth, Whitman. Heh.

[jheii]

I hope this thread wasn't specifically directed at American literature, like it appears to have been in hindsight. What a jackass this man is.

[krastian]

Originally Posted by jheii

Is Fitzgerald really all that impressive though? I've yet to make up my mind. I've also been reading through some Wordsworth and Whitman. Waugh, Wordsworth, Whitman. Heh.

I love Fitzgerald's writing. To me, it doesn't really get a whole lot better....he really does have an impressive "way with words." Check out some of his short stories....they can be pretty cracked out. Wordsworth and Whitman rule too. Whitman's honesty is always refreshing.

[SynthethicalY]

I want to get The Great Gastby by Fitzgerald, but never do when I am in the bookstore.

[Danny Himself]

I am looking at everybody talking about about 'Fitzgerald' and imagining they mean me, not F. Scott.

A man can dream..

[gmku]

I like Gatsby. Tender is the Night also is not bad.

I'm finding Simon Reynolds' book fairly interesting so far. He does on in about the last 1/3 of the book a bit too long about what he calls the New Pop of the early 80s, something that doesn't interest me particularly. But he writes well about the early postpunk/art-punk bands like PiL, Wire, Mission of Burma, et al.

Someday I intend to read Ulysses. My college prof only required us to read the first 100 pages or so and the last chapter, and said that was all we really needed to know about the book for his class!

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

simon reynolds is a jack ass.

Would you care to expand on that statement?

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by gmku

...it's well known.

But what else have you read since American Lit 101?

Today I picked up Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-1982 by Simon Reynolds. Looks fairly interesting.

Excellent choice,Andrew.I used to correspond with him regularly at the time he was writing it .Smashing chap and excellent writer.His views on Sonic Youth(even though i thoughraly disagree with them) amuse me no end.

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

on a further note...as a historical document, this book just seems so lazily put together. not questioning the validity of the info, but still, the above passage is on the main page of the dudes site. and if this "introduction" to the book is so full ill-thought garbage, i dont feel as if im missing on much by not actually reading the book.

besides, most of these books are like a dime a dozen anyways.

I wouldn't dismiss Simon Reynolds' book on the basis of a synopsis written by someone at his publishing company. To a person who is already very familiar with the post-punk era the book does contain a lot of old material, but to someone coming at it anew it is a fantastic resource.

[sonicl]

Oh yes, the faults in American hardcore are well known. But Simon Reynolds does have the advantage of having been part of the post-punk "scene" at the time it was happening, and is writing with a good deal of authority. I'm not saying the book is perfect, it's pretty heavy going at times, but it's not the work of a person who's seen a gap in the market, done some research and thrown a book together. Simon Reynolds' research was being done as the "scene" was happening, and his writing at that time was pretty revelatory.

[sonicl]

Okay. My knowledge of hardcore is pretty much limited to Black Flag and Minor Threat, and I've only ever seen reviews of that book, so I'm not going to say anything about its merits or otherwise, but I will say that I found Rip It Up... to be an excellent way of filling in gaps in my knowledge of an era that I caught wind of just as it was running out of steam.

[gmku]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

Excellent choice,Andrew.I used to correspond with him regularly at the time he was writing it .Smashing chap and excellent writer.His views on Sonic Youth(even though i thoughraly disagree with them) amuse me no end.

I find that he's one of the more articulate rock writers I've read.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by gmku

I find that he's one of the more articulate rock writers I've read.

Not only he is very articulate but his torrential writing is never any less than colloquial in tone,which makes it easy to appreciate and absorb.He also seems like a very humble chap,all considering.I wont divulge on the content of said corrispondence but all i'll say is that from Lester Bangs to Italian Communism he seems to have a very clear and concise opinion about everything you ask him.

[porkmarras]

Here's his blog.
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2006_12...t_archive.html

[lucyrulesok]

Originally Posted by gmku

Someday I intend to read Ulysses. My college prof only required us to read the first 100 pages or so and the last chapter, and said that was all we really needed to know about the book for his class!

Just read the Odyssey! It's better.

Actually, that's a stupid thing for me to say because I haven't actually read Ulysses. But, I get the feeling he just wrote a long and incomprehensible book just so that for the rest of time people would talk about it. cf. Lord of the Rings.

(Please don't shoot me)

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by lucyrulesok

Just read the Odyssey! It's better.

Actually, that's a stupid thing for me to say because I haven't actually read Ulysses. But, I get the feeling he just wrote a long and incomprehensible book just so that for the rest of time people would talk about it. cf. Lord of the Rings.

(Please don't shoot me)

Out of curiosity,have you read both books or you are saying things just for the sake of saying them?

[gmku]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

Not only he is very articulate but his torrential writing is never any less than colloquial in tone,which makes it easy to appreciate and absorb. .

Yep. Very easy to read, but never condescending or dumbed down.

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

what the fuck was "punk rock" but a term coined by legs mcneil for a magazine covering a little scene that was going on in new york? NY punk at the time didnt demonstrate "strictness". it wasnt about a particualr sound. i mean...did (early) blondie sound like the ramones? did the ramones sound like the dead boys? did the dead boys sound like the voidoids?

The Dead Boys were from Ohio.

But yes, NYC "punk" was pretty damn wide-ranging in sound and style.