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Old 11.12.2010, 07:20 AM   #181
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Another thing that really interests me is how white guilt relates to people who don't like hip hop at all, or certain styles of music that are popular in a big way with a predominantly black audience. You must have heard some white boy or girl trying their hand at having the higher moral ground because they listen to hip hop, therefore they truly understand the plague of ALL black folks.

Do you mean 'plague' or plight? (Sorry, it's an odd typo I think)

Yeah. On the other hand, I used to know a black Jamaican fella who'd claim to know about white British culture because he liked the Smiths. Ridiculous, but a nice enough chap so I couldn't be fucked to correct him. And very much the exception. Often the case is that most people, except for a certain sort of white person, don't care. And rightly so.
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Old 11.12.2010, 07:23 AM   #182
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And what does blues have to do with punk, metal, indie, whatever? Good question, and in all actuality while this day in age the sub-genres of rock music often have little to do with blues, they still came from blues non-the-less. Of course, this isn't something that really matters, unless you are interested in the historical aspects of music...

I'd argue you don't care enough about the history to see further than the blues as some sort of foundational stone of modern music, which very much undermines any serious point you've got. Like the blues, sure, but any of the music you're talking about takes a bit of this, a bit of that and a bit of the other to form itself. Putting the onus on the blues is just a bit... annoying, frankly.
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Old 11.12.2010, 07:24 AM   #183
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Old 11.12.2010, 07:26 AM   #184
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Old 11.12.2010, 07:38 AM   #185
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Do you mean 'plague' or plight? (Sorry, it's an odd typo I think)

Yeah. On the other hand, I used to know a black Jamaican fella who'd claim to know about white British culture because he liked the Smiths. Ridiculous, but a nice enough chap so I couldn't be fucked to correct him. And very much the exception. Often the case is that most people, except for a certain sort of white person, don't care. And rightly so.

I did mean plight, yes.
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:17 AM   #186
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i know british culture because i used to watch mr. bean.

Am I replying to my PMs or your PMS?
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:22 AM   #187
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:30 AM   #188
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I'd argue you don't care enough about the history to see further than the blues as some sort of foundational stone of modern music, which very much undermines any serious point you've got. Like the blues, sure, but any of the music you're talking about takes a bit of this, a bit of that and a bit of the other to form itself. Putting the onus on the blues is just a bit... annoying, frankly.

But it is the foundational stone to 75% of the music I listen to. Sure, the blues was informed on some level by other forms of music, as it obviously wasn't the very first form of music, but there isn't much that happened before it to really compare it to. Matter of fact, there is absolutely nothing in the way of recordings at least nothing of which was recorded before the blues came into play. Slight elements of traditional African music, yes, but your digging mighty deep in order to hear it (by the time blues hit, I'd guess the closest thing any African American had heard to traditional African music may have been percussion techniques that had been handed down through the generations, and perhaps, some spiritual vibes). On the other hand, blues is very obvious in a lot of music that came after. Of course, I realize you aren't denying this fact, but for whatever reason you seem to want to challenge my own interest in making these connections. Not only is blues heard in rock (and most variations of rock at that), but also country, folk, in some distant ways hip hop, funk, soul, whatever. Of course there were those that wished to distance themselves from blues, Little Richard being a prime example, but the influence was and is still more than obvious. And definitely, punk rock and metal are two forms of music that have split off into many sub-genres, loads of which embrace little-to-no elements of the blues. But still, I fall under that mindset that likes to embrace the fact that metal likely wouldn't have occurred without Sabbath (at least as we know it)...and it's interesting, because elements of Sabbath can still be occasionally heard in music that seemingly has NO blues influence (doom and in some cases black metal). Which, this last statement alone likely supports much of which you are saying...an "everything had something occur before it so why give blues too much creedance" mentality, + I can honestly appreciate that, but I am saying that blues is one form of music that has exceptionally been able to sustain itself through the years, in both popular and non-mainstream musical worlds alike. I'm not completely sure this can be said about most music that came before blues....at least not in such a way to where whatever given original form is still obvious.

I'm pretty rooted in rock music, + it's only natural for me to take a solid interest in it's history. Unless it's necessary for me to believe Elvis, Led Zeppelin, The Stooges, Pere Ubu, The Dolls, MC5, or Johnny Thunders were all pulling strictly new rabbits out of hats, I'll continue to follow my interests in the same way I have been.

And not that this matters, but I'd like to throw out there that blues + rock are definitely not the only sorts of music I listen to, they just happen to be what I tend to study most in my free time. I can talk about them and present valid opinions (yes, still opinions...) that come not only from countless hours of reading, but also listening, watching, and even visiting several actual key locations. I'm a fan, sorry some of you find that so offensive.
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:37 AM   #189
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BLUES: The plague of white people.
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:39 AM   #191
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It's weird to say that rock and roll wouldn't exist without the blues because electricity certainly would exist without the blues, and so would people willing to play music.
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:46 AM   #192
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but.

if black people just worked hard enough there would be no need for electricity.

more oppression = more magical blues.

so the real question is what kind of time altering goblins decided to doom us to an alternative timeline wherein we only got 35% of the blues magic we could have got.

scientists claim that swa's personality would be perhaps 88% more magical and non retarded if keeping black slaves was common currency in white lower middle class american households in 2010. this travesty of justice could conceivably inspire 41% more blues magic if it were to be told to a bluesman, but an operation to spread it amongst the blues population at large would take financial resources that swa's whiskey budget simply cannot bear the burden of.
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:47 AM   #193
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:48 AM   #194
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It's weird to say that rock and roll wouldn't exist without the blues because electricity certainly would exist without the blues, and so would people willing to play music.

Agreed, but like I said it wouldn't be as we know it. It would sound similar, sure, but this doesn't change how it actually happened. The majority of music originally played via electrified guitar happened to be blues. And no, I'm not saying blues is better than anything else, of course I realize that is all a matter of opinion. Just saying that I personally take a solid interest in the history. I am still a bit baffled by those that have attempted to steer me away from this.
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Old 11.12.2010, 08:52 AM   #195
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he's now trying the "i was being serious all along and am feigning obliviousness to everything i said previously." game.

he is still in denial, i offered him that punch therapy, but he is still lying to himself.

the odds that this will eventually result in another whiskey fueled IQ apocalypse like last night are 100%.

he's like mohammed atta seconds before the boeing 747 hits the WTC. he knows what's coming and it's damn sure too late to do anything about it now.

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Old 11.12.2010, 09:03 AM   #198
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Agreed, but like I said it wouldn't be as we know it. It would sound similar, sure, but this doesn't change how it actually happened. The majority of music originally played via electrified guitar happened to be blues. And no, I'm not saying blues is better than anything else, of course I realize that is all a matter of opinion. Just saying that I personally take a solid interest in the history. I am still a bit baffled by those that have attempted to steer me away from this.
Sway, I really appreciate your passion for it, even though I might be coming across like a bit of a dick on this thread. I too love me some blues action, particuarly of the more haunted kind, but I have nowhere near enough knowledge of music in general to make the pompous remarks you made earlier on in this thread.
 
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Old 11.12.2010, 09:03 AM   #199
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But it is the foundational stone to 75% of the music I listen to. [tl;dr] I'm a fan, sorry some of you find that so offensive.

You like bluesy rock music, and music that's influenced by the blues, and some of the blues itself. We all know this, we're just trying to get you to say it (except little Nicky, who's trying to co-erce you, him and Corgan into some sort of textual hoe-down)

The only thing I'd add is that another thing that gets missed in the dialogue is that blues music wasn't a one-way influence on what we now know as 'country'.
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