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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
he should stand there and let JJ Watt punch his face twice
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Well that may have been able to have happened the next time Baltimore faced Houston had Ray not been suspended indefinitely. In truth, firing somebody forever and aver Amen for a crime which the legal sentence in court is classes and probation seems a bit of an emotional exaggeration. If we arrested Ray Rice and sent him to prison for several years it may appease the self-righteous indignation of the masses, but then they'd have to yield their own cousins, brothers, uncles, neighbors, co-workers, or dads who also may have committed domestic violence in the past to similar conviction. The reality is that unless we're talking about a significant pattern of abuse, which in the case of Ray Rice we're not, then jail time doesn't resolve the issue in the slightest. Hence why the courts implement classes, counseling, and probation. The probation is the the teeth of that punishment, do it again, and then the punishment is worse. Indeed in some instances, a suspended sentence is issued which means mess up once in ANY way and break ANY kind of law and get the full sentence.
Anyway, Ray Rice made a mistake and will have to reap as he has sown BUT folks got to be careful in all their self-righteous indignation, they want to throw the book and the kitchen sink at Ray Rice to sound tough on crime at the water cooler at work BUT if it were their relative or friend, their solution might be a bit more nuanced
To be sure, I'm not apologizing, defending, or condoning Ray Rice, rather, once we concede guilt we must punish accordingly not emotionally, and the courts already made their verdict in the same way they do tens of thousands of times a year. I read one article which insinuated Rice had some kind of celebrity treatment in his sentencing, that person obviously isn't familiar with domestic violence laws and sentences.
Again, the one good thing that can come out of this is the attention and dialogue to the ISSUE ITSELF, not merely Rice as an individual offender. In California we have a relatively good system for DV, systematically abusive spouses tend to get theirs inevitably, indeed the police do not take kindly to these calls and handle their business. Officers in California are legally witnesses and can issue charges based on their own judgment, not victim testimony necessary. I know in other states is not like that, women are forced to testify or press charges or nothing happens. I hope and pray that the public outrage serves as a catalyst to at the least get the other 50 states to be on the California tip.
Two things in California will literally fuck up your shit with the courts, involving 52 classes at $50 a pop (miss even a SINGLE class and its Go Directly To Jail Do Not Collect $200) as well as either extended probation or suspended sentencing which ensures retributive punishment if the asshole abuses again. Those are domestic violence and DUI.. Heaven help somebody who gets a DUI and Domestic case in one