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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
what everyone who is out to prove or disprove a deity or a soul forgets is that the whole basis of all religions is that they are dependent upon BELIEF. this "belief" is the acceptance that something/someone exists without any proof whatsoever, and with no proof ever forthcoming.
that is FAITH/BELIEF
Due to this it is impossible to refute religion or spirituality. That makes it the most succesful con game ever pulled on humanity
humans as we know it are less than 200 thousand years old. That is not enough time to totally eradicate the purely animalistic aspects of our brains. religion and spirituality are a byproduct of our immensely capable and self-aware minds trying to grasp "feelings/emotions" that make us think there is something greater than ourselves. there is not. it is all just human words and concepts used to describe emotions and fears left over from our million years as savannah dwelling primates.
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Gee, Rob, I'm reading your posts, but it seems you insist on not considering mine. Any idiot can debate religion. I'm not an idiot, so I'm not wasting my time. As one can infer, my only concern is to attempt to have an intelligent discussion concerning the existence of God. And again, I'm getting up from the computer, so please stop quoting me.
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Originally Posted by me
First of all, your unconscious/subconscious already does know everything.
But, just like the fact that there will never be a Theory of Everything, our conscious minds can never know this information. It is impossible. If it were, it would make life meaningless anyway. One communicates with God (hence with eternity) in dreams, and to an extent, in silent meditation. Dreams work out all the stimuli we are unable to process with our conscious minds. In dreams, our minds are repairing themselves.
We are beings living our lives in a dimension we call time. In eternity, there is no time. This is why one cannot ask the question "who created God?" and expect any answer. God is not of time, God is eternity. We are humans who live in time but who briefly glimpse eternity and the immeasurable knowledge of the unconscious when we dream or, to an extent, when we meditate silently.
The Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy elegantly states that matter cannot be created or destroyed, but merely changes from one form into another. That sums up eternity right there and also accounts for the changes we observe in the dimension we call time. (and the Big Bang does the same thing; whether there will ever be a Big Crunch is absolutely debatable. I happen to believe there will.)
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