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Originally Posted by Severian

Nay. No. Nope. No sir. Untrue. False. Not even. Some bands had concept albums around the same time (Kinks, the Who), but before the Beatles? Tell me, what concept albums can you recall from pre-1962? And jazz records don't count, different kind of concept.

I always understood the Pet Sounds was the first "concept" album but Wikipedia seems to say that Frank Sinatra put out the first concept albums?

You're kinda right about the album lengths... But also kinda wrong. The Beatles were heavily involved in planning their albums even at the very start.

Im sure that they had plans but as i told Southern Comfort homie you got to prove that. Record companies defined the number of tracks. Indeed the Dead tell the story as to why their first concept album Anthem Of The Sun used "subtracks" such as "1a" and "1b" precisely because of record company issues. The contract for the album at least 8 songs and they only made 5 so they just and if you listen almost arbitrarily subdivided the opening track into four subtracks. Whenever they performed it live they always considered it one song. I would imagine Beatles weren't in a drastically different situation as record companies are record companies. Now i got the Dead story from their own interview so i would imagine that if the Beatles had done something especially artistic with the NUMBER of tracks well they probably would have mentioned it.

You're basically asking me to tell you what the Beatles invented. Innovated isn't the right word. You're asking for examples of Beatles music that contains musical elements that were completely novel.

Yup, that is exactly what i am saying.

My answer to that is, everything that came after Help! Literally everything they did from Rubber Soul to The White Album contained never before heard sounds and recording techniques and engineering.

That is just nonsense and you especially know it.

Backward guitar solos? Beatles.

Ill give them that, even Jimi said he picked this up from them.

No "lead singer"/shared songwriting duties split at times between all four members? Beatles.

Concept albums? Beatles.

debatable

Hybridizing R&B and folk with "rock and roll" beats and guitar/bass/drum arrangements? Beatles.

You're not being serious are you?

Leading songs with note assortments instead of chords? Beatles ("And Your Bird Can Sing")

Possibly

Self-referential lyrical wordplay/myth making/song sequels/interconnected lyrics? Beatles!

I get this your fav band but i think even Beatles might call that hyperbole.

pop music as we know it is a periodic table made up of fragments of what the Beatles did musically.

Show me the music theory evidence please.

Pop culture revolves around them to this day like the solar system revolves around the sun.

I never disagreed with that in the least.