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Originally Posted by This Is Not Here
Also, please don't rely too much on genre names in your arguement, most genres are extremely broad -for example, Cans Tago Mago (71) was a 'progressive-rock' record, as was Pink Floyd's Saucerful of Secrets record two or three years before, but this does not devalue Tago Mago's innovation, they sound totally different firstly, and the latter record of the same genre was just as if not more innovative.
So my point is it doesn't matter if there were IDM acts before BOC, or even shoegaze acts before MBV, their sound is totally ORIGINAL and innovative, find me an earlier record in either case that sounds similar and I'll eat my hat.
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That's my whole point. Even if they sound 'original' and 'innovative', their music is influenced by what came before it.
I'm not sure what the fixation with MBV is all about. Everything they released or wrote, up to and including 'Loveless' was done in the eighties. So they're not a very good example to use. (Yes I know Loveless was released in 1991, but it's release had been delayed by 2 years)
BoC, and 'Geogaddi' in particular sounds very similar to the early Orb and KLF stuff that Alex Patterson and Jimmy Cauty were doing in the late Eighties. Looped beats, atmospheric electronics and quirky samples. Great album.
But a totally new type of music?
Same with Daydream Nation - Sure it's a change of style from what SY were doing previously, and I think that the album defines the genre. But totally new and original?
What I'm talking about is music, that when you heard it for the first time sounded nothing like anything you'd heard before.
A few examples:
Cabaret Voltaire
Einstuerzende Neubauten
Laibach
Bauhaus
The Orb
Sonic Youth
Swans
Suicide
Throbbing Gristle
Kraftwerk
Joy Division
Lustmord
There are a lot of bands emulating the music of the above, some have even come up with hybrids. But who has come up with anything like as groundbreaking as the music produced by these artists in the last 18 - 20 years?
Maybe it's because I'm an old fogie and I've become jaded over the years, but everything I listen to nowadays just sounds so derivative.
I'd love to be proved wrong, but none of the artists suggested so far have done anything to change my mind.