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!@#$%! · 03.30.2013, 05:47 PM

alright guys so i owe you a backtrack of sorts re: 'Merica!

I was reading some articles re: the Estadio Azteca match that show (or invent?) a strategy at work, albeit one that was hard for me to read because I love attacking football and I always read a game from that perspective, so i'm just looking at 1/2 game instead of the whole thing (which is bad).

For example, evaluators were saying that some US defender, Omar Gonzalez, did a great job and took top points-- to me, I didn't notice the fucker, what I saw instead was a failure of the Mexican attack. Yes, I'm biased, I like goals, and my eyes follow the attack and blur the defense and teh pitch as one undifferentiated mass (eh, i exaggerate).

Anyway here are the links if anyone cares to read:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...alifier-mexico

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...ng-made-azteca

and the "main" article that links those 2:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...rt-mexico-draw

in a way the armchair guy confirms what i said (though i didn't have the background info that this team can't generate chances from possession--hA!):

This US team has shown no ability to generate chances from possession, and have been vulnerable defensively when they push high. Klinsmann's new style that he's tried to initiate has resulted in fewer goals scored, and blown leads in all four road qualifiers.

So the only pragmatic thing to do was stay deep and defend, try to hit on the counter and hope to get a set piece. The last two didn't really work out – and again, the US had a bit of luck from the referee in getting out of there with the result – but there's nobody in the US camp, and no fan in their right mind, who wouldn't have happily taken a point from this game.

So, okay, we suck and we adapt. That's fine.

But on the other hand, this is the spelling-out of the defensive strategy that I appear to have missed completely:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...ance-vs-mexico

so-- they closed spaces, they forced mexico into the long ball (i saw that, didn't noticed it had been "forced" but okay). however, "let's build triangles" looks right out of an elementary school text, no? i mean, isn't that like, a basic feature of the passing game and not a "special secret weapon"? unless i'm missing something.

in any case, klinsmann is an infinitely better tactician than i am, and he evidently sun-tzu'ed me, and i can't read a defense the way i should (and i should learn-- really).

nice video w/ player interviews on that page too.

03.30.2013, 05:47 PM	#2713
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,468	alright guys so i owe you a backtrack of sorts re: 'Merica! I was reading some articles re: the Estadio Azteca match that show (or invent?) a strategy at work, albeit one that was hard for me to read because I love attacking football and I always read a game from that perspective, so i'm just looking at 1/2 game instead of the whole thing (which is bad). For example, evaluators were saying that some US defender, Omar Gonzalez, did a great job and took top points-- to me, I didn't notice the fucker, what I saw instead was a failure of the Mexican attack. Yes, I'm biased, I like goals, and my eyes follow the attack and blur the defense and teh pitch as one undifferentiated mass (eh, i exaggerate). Anyway here are the links if anyone cares to read: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...alifier-mexico http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...ng-made-azteca and the "main" article that links those 2: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...rt-mexico-draw in a way the armchair guy confirms what i said (though i didn't have the background info that this team can't generate chances from possession--hA!): This US team has shown no ability to generate chances from possession, and have been vulnerable defensively when they push high. Klinsmann's new style that he's tried to initiate has resulted in fewer goals scored, and blown leads in all four road qualifiers. So the only pragmatic thing to do was stay deep and defend, try to hit on the counter and hope to get a set piece. The last two didn't really work out – and again, the US had a bit of luck from the referee in getting out of there with the result – but there's nobody in the US camp, and no fan in their right mind, who wouldn't have happily taken a point from this game. So, okay, we suck and we adapt. That's fine. But on the other hand, this is the spelling-out of the defensive strategy that I appear to have missed completely: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/articl...ance-vs-mexico so-- they closed spaces, they forced mexico into the long ball (i saw that, didn't noticed it had been "forced" but okay). however, "let's build triangles" looks right out of an elementary school text, no? i mean, isn't that like, a basic feature of the passing game and not a "special secret weapon"? unless i'm missing something. in any case, klinsmann is an infinitely better tactician than i am, and he evidently sun-tzu'ed me, and i can't read a defense the way i should (and i should learn-- really). nice video w/ player interviews on that page too.
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