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Old 03.24.2006, 07:58 PM   #83
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hip priest: see it's easy to take a pot shot at the 5th.

I chose the 5th deliberately. It's easy to take pot shots at for a reason, a reason that I feel demonstrates my point.

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wouldn't fly w/ the eroica however. or even the 9th as much as it's been used/abused/overused. and were you to attempt a similar criticism of the late quartets you'd fall flat on your face. the complexity of those pieces is something else.

Quite. I wouldn't criticise the late quartets in the same way because I agree - I had no intention of doing so. They are far superior. Also, in noumenal's Beethoven thread, I said tonight - 'As a child I heard a lot of stuff, I still quite like the variations on Bei Maennern, welche Liebe fuehlen, but I'm not a huge fan.' So I'm not blind to the fact that someone can be good (even great), but that doesn't mean that they are in no way overrated.

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so if you say the 5th is overrated i might say "ok fine". saying beethoven is overrated however is really not applicable as some of his best music is little known or understood.

Fair enough. That's a reasonable point in terms of the qualitative aspects of his compositions, but it doesn't address the imbalance of attention his work gets. On which you say...

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now about radio stations, it's the same phenomenon in the u.s.-- "mainstream" classical is all they offer. ZZZZZZZZZZZ. i don't care for that. but in that sense i think mozart would be more "overrated" since he's even got some candy balls named after him

Over here, Mozart and Beethoven get similar attention. I personally find Mozart fun to listen to, so I don't think he's as overrated. Don't forget that on both sides of the argument this is all subjective opinion rather than objective fact.

Beethoven has a comedy dog named after him.

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about jazz: the jazz world is full of hacks and sellouts & popular wankers too. i was refuting your statement that "there are no jazz equivalents of the foo fighters" or something like that by offering the name of diana krall. i didn't get what you meant the 2nd time about the grunge/not-grunge etc.

What I meant was that Grohl used to be grunge, but he's changed to poprock or whatever you wish to call it. People accept that and
don't call the F** F******* grunge anymore. Cullum and Kenny G have made a similar switch to pop, but get called jazz nonetheless. It seems strange. Krall I think has slightly more of a jazz element left. Opinion again.


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"hm" - is "hmmm..." that's the sound of me thinking

ha

Thanks.

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anyway i see you like janacek-- cool! i'll post there if i have time tonight-- gotta go to the animal collective show in a bit

Have fun. Saw a video of theirs recently. It seemed OK.

Janacek is fantastic.
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