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Originally Posted by keep poppin pimples

no it isn't for people who buy turntables, analog audio buyers who actually buy expensive shit don't fuck with digital, this product is being met with indifference by sources that actually write about gear for people who buy for people who buy turntables, hate to reference this annoying site but it drives home the point that turntable people with too much money don't view pono as relevanthttp://www.analogplanet.com/content/...-covering-pono


it's for people who buy ipods however they market it, the analog and digital divide among gearheads is wide, there's already great sound possible from digital there's no way a device like this of any quality is going over to the analog market in a big way, and the analog market is smaller anyways. it's an expensive ipod that sounds better but holds less songs and doesn't actually fit well in pockets or have a decent screen. kickstarter doesn't mean shit, their competition in the market get way more investment than that without needing to crowdsource their money. getting a kickstarter funded doesn't guarantee continued market presence. i think this item is going to sink before too long, most of the public comments i'm seeing on this thing are negative

we're talking about the future here so i could easily be wrong maybe everyone i know is going to actually buy a pono and it's going to be a huge hit, it's possible but would shock me, i'm thinking this product has a year or two before it stops being produced

alright, you're right, it's for neither this nor that, but i'd buy it because i don't give a shit about what gearheads think and i'm not pigheadedly partisan. if anything, i'm for pleasure. i like digital portability but i hate the shitty tinny sound of mp3. even cd sounds clean but not fat enough to my ears. i dont like to run a whole fucking computer, monitor and all, to play flac files (since my ipod doesn't, and i don't wanna transcode, and i'm lazy), plus iffy sounds cards that who knows. i just want to load the album, punch a button and crank the stereo LOUD and feel the air vibrate around me-- not over my head and into my ears but in the air around me-- you know what i mean? you have a stereo with big fat speakers that can suspend objets in the air and shake them like a waterbed?

now, the article you link didn't say the pono was shit, they said they like the idea, they say better sound for all is good, but they wouldn't cover it so they can focus on analog. it's not the same thing. they don't reject it-- they just choose to specialize their business. a consumer doesn't need to specialize their business. a brewer that wants to be a winemaker is gonna make shit wine, but a consumer can buy craft beer from one maker and boutique wine from another (or mass-produced swill too).

i have hope for a high-def digital format-- not the 5.1 SACD bullshit but real deep, thick stereo sound you can crank LOUD and not sound like shit. fatter than a CD. like vinyl without the crackles, and scratches, and skipping, and dust. fat like butter, like bacon fat, like a deep-fried pork shoulder sandwich with avocado slices.

are there more people like me? probably. enough to sustain a product? no idea-- i think it's a matter of setting up the logistics to fill a niche rather than strive for universal appeal. a purple cow doesn't need to have universal appeal-- it just need to be special enough that its fans can support its economics. not every great restaurant has to turn into mcdonalds-- it just needs enough loyal customers to support itself.

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Originally Posted by Cunt

btw,

funding a kickstarter != getting a product

this is just a matter of assembly--DACs already exist, flash storage already exists, lcds and knobs already exist, flac-friendly firmware already exists, they don't really need to invent anything, just put the high-quality pieces together-- don't they?

for record companies, barring the usual piracy problems, there is little added cost to selling these formats on the side since they are already used in recording-- protools records at up to 32-bit 192khz and mixes at 64-bit (right now), so outputting a lesser bit depth mixdown at the same bitrate is basically cake, and with no media manufacturing required, it's just more cash for their pockets. fuck, i think some blu-ray media already has 24bit/48khz audio, which is standard for raw video, there's also 24/192, it's just that plastic discs are a PITA and blu-ray isn't that widespread. CDs were "high tech" in the 19fucking80s.

Pono: I WANT I WANT I WANT. even if the pono fails, someone else will follow, given that there is label support. i'd buy something to sit below my stereo amp rather than a portable because i love big fat fucking speakers that can fill a room with deep audio lard, but since i'm already jacking a shitty ipod to my stereo i'd be okay with a toblerone too, though for actual portable my crummy phone suffices.