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Originally Posted by Severian
I'm not sure I agree that there was anything "punk" about Paranoid though, SFAD.
I think there's a definite sonic link between some of the work Sabbath did on both paranoid and Master of Reality, and some of the proto-punk that was being made in the U.S. at that time. You can hear something akin to Sabbath on Fun House, only it was coming from a very different place...
But I'm not going to challenge you on it. I am interested actually. I just played Paranoid from start to finish with an ear open for what you're referring to.
When people are deeply invested and interested in a style or genre of music, they make connections. I have felt some strange, foreshadowing whispers of the shout that punk would ultimately be in some of the damnedest places. Like... Fuck... improvisational jazz, clawhammer banjo, delta blues... So I won't tell you you're wrong.
But I'd love to hear more about why you feel that way.
To me, White Light/White Heat will always be the first punk album.
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War Pigs, lyrically is straight up punk. However it also has certain sonic elements that feel punk to me.. the guitar work on the verse.. the drum work through out..
Paranoid has fucking blast beats and other punk drum work and its a straight up three chord verse chorus verse song..
Those tom rolls in Ironman sound like some crusty to me..
The intro to Electric Funeral reminds me of Subhumans People Are Scared and again its such a political song lyrically..
Fairies Wear Boots is PUNK AS FUCK! Yeah, technically its blues.. but it sure ain't Muddy Waters yo!
I know its not a true punk record, and my bias is I am very absorbed in a lot of punk music, but I've been in punk bands and playing punk music for years, intuitively I feel there are similarities in Paranoid. I can't explain it mathematically but it just feels that way to me from a musician's perspective