to be honest i'm not really in a position to sispute that because I haven't listened to them since I was 13, I just remember being at ATP hearing them through a wall as htrk then the dead c were playing, and every 10 minutes there would be a big crescendo, and it confirmed suspicions that seemed pretty clear to me even as a young'n, that they sounded like a fair trade starbucks blend
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