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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Don't attempt your points sound more serious by trying patronise me. It's beyond lame.

why so touchy? don't like it when people examine or question your proclamations?

this had nothing to do with "patronising" and everything to do with seeking clarification.

if corbyn is not a full-fledged socialist, and you're calling him that, then you're painting him with the wrong brush--- and helping to alienate the middle (as demonyo fears) and hand the election to your enemies.

that's what the american right does with basic reasonable things like health care reform. calling it "socialism" and making it look "foreign," and "radical," and claiming we'll soon be living under a dictatorship-- get your guns ready and stockpile the ammo!

that's what would happen if sanders ever wins the democratic nomination. actual socialists from his home state do not like him-- he's too pro-market. but in a general election he'd be painted as a socialist and an extremist bla bla etc. and just won't win.

i'm sure england has its own version of the red scare that conservatives use to instill fear of mildly progressive policies. it's a universal tactic. in america, the fantasy includes guns (to fight socialist government troops). this even connects with the confederate flag of recent scandals. "states' rights" vs. federal "socialism."

but shit, if free higher education equals socialism, then trade unions must be outright bolshevism! (i'm saying this ironically, but some people actually believe--or pretend to believe-- that)

then again, maybe the term "socialism" is used differently in europe- or maybe the guy is a real old-school dyed-in-the-wool socialist who will nationalize the banks and collectivize farms. that i don't know.

but wouldn't it be easier to explain or attempt to understand what's lost in translation than to make this a discussion about a perceived (or feigned) narcissistic injury?

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I stayed at home.

I can see Corbyn generating massive support but I really worry that it'll be too focussed on those ideologically of the left, alienating the middle ground necessary to winning a general election. But as I said in a previous post, I'm really conflicted over the whole thing.

i'm having a similar-but-opposite reaction to donald trump's rise in the republican polls.

at first i was delighted--let the republicans implode under the leadership of that self-absorbed clown.

now i'm really fearful that after he wins his party's nomination he might go on to win the presidency. because hilary is a shit candidate. and this wouldn't be the first time that 'merica elects an actor/celebrity to the presidency.

yes, i believe in the power of universal stupidity to rule human affairs.

being near los alamos, at least i'll have a front row seat to nuclear war. none of that horrible radiation sickness for me-- instant evaporation is nearly assured.