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!@#$%! · 12.04.2016, 02:14 PM

^^ i agree that bernie would have been a victim of red scaremongering.

i mean, look how little left obama went and he was branded a socialist, and health care reform triggered the birth of the tea party and got moe tucker out on the streets

i don't think this thread has outlived its usefulness though--because it never had any. this is some obscure message board on the internet where some nobodies come to rant. good thing i say. but the unregulated ranting is the usefulness in itself--not the thread proper. once this thread dies, it will die on its own, just like the rest.

what i think has actually outlived its usefulness (and moe tucker points to it in that link above) is this neocon-style branding of the opponent as "evil" and "stupid" and "kkk" and "clowns" etc. the great moral struggles. puritanism vs. the heathens. cotton mather burns some witches. etc

really, it's not a manichaean struggle of good vs evil with each party aligning on each side. the repukes have some good things to offer along with some terrible shit, the democrats have some terrible and corrupt baggage right next to their good intentions. nobody has the monopoly on ariman or ahura mazda.

this is why politics is broken-- it's all extremes and nobody wants to work with each other. and yeah, one can point fingers at the repukes and mitch mcconnell and say "you started it" but that's a 3rd grade answer that does nobody any good. (that's also the kind of 3rd grade response that made trump looks ridiculous to so many-- "he started it" "she started it"). so how about let's just not go that way.

how about we start focusing our criticism on actions, not identities; and make the struggle about policies, not personalities. okay, the electorate at large follows "personalities", and it's a good shorthand for a lot of things-- but still, i'll welcome a good policy regardless of where it comes from. nixon gave us the EPA after all, and wanted universal health care--good for him on those counts.

speaking from just my personal point of view, i promised to back hillary for the election and provide the criticism afterwards. well, i'm ready to be open-minded. i've done enough partisanship for the year. do i want democrats to take the house? yes. but i also want them to do it on the basis of a good platform and good sales, not by crying "look at how terrible the goobers are." which has gotten us precisely nowhere.

12.04.2016, 02:14 PM	#1911
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,468	^^ i agree that bernie would have been a victim of red scaremongering. i mean, look how little left obama went and he was branded a socialist, and health care reform triggered the birth of the tea party and got moe tucker out on the streets i don't think this thread has outlived its usefulness though--because it never had any. this is some obscure message board on the internet where some nobodies come to rant. good thing i say. but the unregulated ranting is the usefulness in itself--not the thread proper. once this thread dies, it will die on its own, just like the rest. what i think has actually outlived its usefulness (and moe tucker points to it in that link above) is this neocon-style branding of the opponent as "evil" and "stupid" and "kkk" and "clowns" etc. the great moral struggles. puritanism vs. the heathens. cotton mather burns some witches. etc really, it's not a manichaean struggle of good vs evil with each party aligning on each side. the repukes have some good things to offer along with some terrible shit, the democrats have some terrible and corrupt baggage right next to their good intentions. nobody has the monopoly on ariman or ahura mazda. this is why politics is broken-- it's all extremes and nobody wants to work with each other. and yeah, one can point fingers at the repukes and mitch mcconnell and say "you started it" but that's a 3rd grade answer that does nobody any good. (that's also the kind of 3rd grade response that made trump looks ridiculous to so many-- "he started it" "she started it"). so how about let's just not go that way. how about we start focusing our criticism on actions, not identities; and make the struggle about policies, not personalities. okay, the electorate at large follows "personalities", and it's a good shorthand for a lot of things-- but still, i'll welcome a good policy regardless of where it comes from. nixon gave us the EPA after all, and wanted universal health care--good for him on those counts. speaking from just my personal point of view, i promised to back hillary for the election and provide the criticism afterwards. well, i'm ready to be open-minded. i've done enough partisanship for the year. do i want democrats to take the house? yes. but i also want them to do it on the basis of a good platform and good sales, not by crying "look at how terrible the goobers are." which has gotten us precisely nowhere.
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