rather than bitching, i'd like to recommend a band called dilute. i would say they are pretty fucking amazing, whether you like tortoise or not. here are some helpful links if you desire . . .
http://www.splendidezine.com/reviews...01/dilute.html
http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-...s/feature.html
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=430 58724