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Originally Posted by lunberg
SY a second rate Wilco !! You have to be kidding me!! Some people just seem to be pissed that SY can actually offer interesting music with elaborate structure ( not just your verse chorus verse stuff). What you call excess baggage is for me what makes it(SN) a good record : the multiple intertwining melodic lines, the long musical development is the work of true craftsman that envisage the song as a whole and not just one melodic hook + several clichéd development (Incinerate baby !!). I see no link with post rock at all, SN owes more to jazz(unmade bed, i love you golden blue, peace attack) and punk(Pattern recognition, Mariah...).
Rather ripped is cohesive and propulsive but ultimately it lacks mystery; Every song (a part from Jams run free and Rats ) is so damn predictable, which is the last thing SY qualfiies for.
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You read my mind. I was going to say something similar when I read that post. With Jim, the songs were so complex and well put together. They were truly masterpieces. Now, the songs are less complex and are more predictable (but I still like them). That's probably why RR sounds like it does; because Jim is not there. That's not to say that SY can't make complex songs as a four piece. A Thousand Leaves and Washing Machine have some amazing songs, some of which it is amazing to think that only four people are playing. I'm not saying that I want Jim back but that he helped a lot. SY kick ass as a four-piece.