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not to gang up on anything but i remember when the first taas ep came out and some reviewer who knew what he was talking about said it was pure garbage so i didn't bother. i then listened to oxeneer and thought it was ok, i actually listened to it a lot because it did grow on me a bit but not that much.
as i said before, they are ok but nothing to write home about, and the botch comparison is because they have a precedent of the people involved in both bands doing something better than "ok". minus the bear are ok-ish too, in my opinion.
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