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Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple
They kicked your ass. That's why after ten years of trying to defeat the Vietcong by throwing everything but nuclear weapons at them you buggered off with your tail between your legs.[/quote
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I hate to say it, but you know he is absolutely, 100% correct, and Keeping It Simple, it was not merely ten years, the US first involved themselves in French Indochina in 1944, maintained a covert presence backing the re-establishment of the French colonial control through the 40s, open funding and training and weapons through out the French war from approx 1950-1956, then fully backing the puppet Diem regime until 1963.. shortly after THEN was the final decade (which was actually 12 years from 1963-1975 of open, declared war with troops in declared combat roles, though they had been coming home in body bags since the 50s, it got real hard particularly for Kennedy to explain things as the body-count rose to hundreds of US soldiers a year, though honestly, that was not as bad as Bill Clinton, who as Commander-and-Chief lost the lives over 15,000 US military personal over in secret and covert and supporting operations over-seas, thats 3 times as many as under Bush II in two declared wars by the way..)
but again. FUCK YEAH! 70,000 troops gone will result in less death across Iraq, this is EXACTLY what Vietnam proved if anything, that the sky does not fall when the US extricate themselves from fucked up, needless wars, in fact it makes things better in both the short and long term.