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Originally Posted by tesla69
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...addiction.html
If this story is true it totally blows the myth that people on opiates can't do anything and seems to indicate it was the tylenol the pharmas mix in with the meds, like they force you to die slowly in order to escape pain.
I'm kind of not believing this.
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"Doctor D's" knowledge of opiate pharmacology is shaky at best.
He speaks with the authority of a grandstanding know it all with only experiential knowledge and dimmed down second/third/fourth hand explanations how how these chemicals interact.
For instance. This quote is particularly irritating:
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"'Also if they did have to give him a save shot when he overdosed like everybody is saying - that removes all traces of drugs from your system so he would have started to go into withdrawal and would have had to take a lot of drugs to feel okay again - which also could have killed him."
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This is not actually true. "Save shots" are Narcan (noloxone), which is used to pull people out of an overdose before their lungs shut down so they can be properly intubated.
Narcan absolutely DOES NOT "remove all traces" of opiate from your system. It TEMPORARILY blocks the opiate's effect on the body by binding to opioid neurotransmitters to block the synapses and "pull" someone out of their OD. It does NOT get rid of the opiates in a person's system. In fact, all it really does is mask their effect for a very temporary period of time.
Honestly, what this guy's saying is complete horseshit. Indeed it sends an overdose victim into a temporary state of withdrawal, but the drugs stay in your system and the effects of opiates (all opiates) last MUCH longer than the brief interruption Narcan produces.
In fact, people die of overdoses after receiving Narcan injections because when the drug wears off, in fifteen or twenty minutes, the person goes right back to being high as fuck. If it removed all traces of the drug from your system it would be a goddamn miracle drug and essentially do all the work of a 1-3 week detox in one simple shot.
This is from some fucking drug website:
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After injecting naloxone, stay with the person and watch for continued signs of overdose. You may need to give another injection every 2 to 3 minutes until emergency help arrives. Follow all medication instructions carefully.
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Every two to three minutes! That's because the shit is a last ditch emergency effort, and only works for a very short time. Ideally, buying you enough time for the EMT's to arrive.
I fucking hate drug people. They talk with this streetwise authority but they have no fucking clue what they're actually talking about. It's all myth making and hyperbole to them because they're all goddamn self-absorbed pricks who are stuck with an 18 year old mentality.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this asshole just wanted to hear himself Fucking talk. "Doctor D" ... my ass. And look, his moronic "expert opinion" is now national news.
He's acting like the Narcan removed Prince's tolerance, making him extra vulnerable to overdose when he took his next dose. That's not how it works. Fucker would still be high as a kite after the Narcan ran its course, would still have a tolerance, and if anything his next dose would actually take MORE opiates to get him high because with any remnant of Narcan in your system, you have to take extra in order to compensate for the residual blocking effect of the opiate.
What a goddamn idiot.