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nin were amazing and made futuristic modern rock/electronic music, something that almost everyone seems to have abandoned as a worthwhile ideal by about 2000.
also nin and manson were expounding a worldview that seems to have been almost totally lost in pop culture now - a kind of pessimistic and dark revelling in humanities sickness but also exhilaratingly admitting to being in love with the pleasure and addictions that keep the sick show going. it wasn't about being guilty and self denying or optimistic. did the wars and recessions of the 00's wipe out expressions of this psychological in american culture?
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