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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i don't hate pacino yet but he's had some terrible roles, e.g., carlito's way, or that stupid devil movie. i did like him in the merchant of venice though, last i recall, and donnie brasco, and other stuff. de niro, if you don't hate him yet, just watch "analyze this" and "analyze that" and "meet the parents/fockers/etc" and you'll be fed up with him for life.
the problem with these two is the same as many other people in business--- they will suck any cocks that are put in front of them and will never say no to anything, no matter how sucky. i mean. have they been in any seriously good movies lately?
how much better would it be if they made themselves scarce, and therefore more valuable--kinda like brando in his old age. well maybe not as reclusive, but damn, definitely more selective. according to imdb pacino is in 3 movies this year and deniro (dinero!) was in 7 yes 7 movies last year. 7, for fucks sakes.
hoffmann i think had the benefit of dying young. didn't have time to soil his career by becoming a caricature of himself for a paycheck.
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DeNiro has to be one of the most wasteful actors in terms of talent I can think of and it seems completely down to his own poor judgement. How he thought he could cut it as a comedian I'll never know. Pacino's not as bad. Despite making a fair few clunkers (no arguments about Devil's advocate), I definitely think he's got a bit more integrity than DeNiro. And I think a lot of people are less put off by the quality of his films or his roles than by the more ott style he seemed to adopt in the 90s. I hated his more shouty style at first but now I like it. But I know a lot of people really can't stand it.