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Originally Posted by tw2113

I'm cynical that medicare for all, and all these programs wouldn't affect the current costs that we're charged. So we'd be paying in millions upon millions of dollars that won't end up covering as many as it all legitimately should.

medicare is actually very cost effective. expanding it would bring down costs.

it’s not complete however, and many seniors add supplemental insurance.

also, there are many doctors who won’t work with medicare because it pays too little. so something would have to be worked out.

france has one of the best overall healthcare systems in the world, and it’s run by the government and it costs less than it does here. there’s also supplemental insurance for those who want it.

culturally and legally however it would be very hard for us to arrive at the same system. france is very centralized and has a history of being directed from the top. we’re a republic composed of many different states and subcultures and it’s much harder for everyone to fall in line. we tend to believe more in local government. more than france anyway.

the best model for us is probably switzerland, which looks a lot like... obamacare done right (insurance is truly mandatory). as i understand it’s not national but administered by the cantons, much like our states do here. there are subsidies for those who can’t afford. it’s expensive but also provides great quality care—apparently the best doctors in europe go work there. their insurance industry however is tightly regulated, unlike here. obamacare was supposed to cure that but there are still many junk health plans that are utter shit, and the trumpkins want to see more.

see: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...ance/index.htm

these are practically fucking scams and republicans love them because it makes their pals money.

see: https://www.policygenius.com/blog/ho...nsurance-plan/

now it would be better and safer if low paid workers could join the expanded medicare instead of falling prey to these bastards.

im not saying the swiss is the best model overall, but culturally and legally we’re closest to it, and it’s therefore more achievable/ closer at hand. meaning we wouldn’t need a revolution to get it—just the house, the senate, the presidency, and the supreme court (yeah, “just” those lolol). and then the states would be the laboratories where it would be put into practice.