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Old 01.05.2013, 12:02 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by afterthefact
Yeah! Because that's why the taxes went up! Asphalt just got more expensive! Oh goodie, because now there will never be another pothole, and universal healthcare will be free!

Oh wait, that's right. Those things aren't why the taxes increased, and we won't see any change in the things mentioned. Dang, nevermind, that sucks...

You are only half correct, but all political realities point out that we have to accept that without such taxes the system would be even more underfunded. We can't just magically erase around $1 TRILLION annually, just like we can't suddenly deport 11 MILLION people. Reality is reality, and the reality is America costs money, and the Bush tax cuts from 2001-2012 cost America about $3 TRILLION in deficit spending. The War(s) cost around another $2 TRILLION (but it secretly may be as high as $3 TRILLION) in deficit spending. That is a fairly large hole. Further, the bar was basically already raised that high in 2009 when Obama took over so his $4 TRILLION added are just more of that same bullshit, taxes too low to pay for the demand in services. There is about $750 BILLION estimated in Medicare fraud every year, so in theory we could over enough time make that efficient enough, but in the meantime here and now if we were to just cut anything more than the $780 BILLION already implemented by Obama, the elderly, disabled and poor who rely on that medical coverage would suffer, perhaps even life and death. Further, we'd pay it out the ass in government funded ER visits. America's reality is quite simple, for decades nobody wants to pay for anything which we all use. Public infrastructure and public services and of course Medicare and National Defense. We either (a) have to split Solomon's baby here or (b) pony up and pay. The Clinton era proved that after several years of higher taxes in a balanced, pro-growth way that we can actually go from budget deficits to budget surplus. If the Bush II administration and the GOP hadn't gotten to damned greedy and just not enacted these stupid cuts in the first place, we probably would have rolled with those $200-400BILLION annual budget surpluses and started paying down national debt instead of contributing towards it. But the grim reality is so-called fiscal conservatives love deficits as much as anyone, in fact under Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II the country's deficit spending sky-rocketed, realistically Obama is just a continuation of the same, and by no surprise, its because we've had four years of BUSH tax rates under Obama, those bullshit trickle-down economic tax rates which didn't work in the 1980s (which is why Bush I had to raise them) and didn't work in the 1990s (which is why Clinton had to raise them) and didn't work in the Bush II 2000s (which is which is Obama has to raise them).

America, pay up already, Jesus, we have this great society full of advanced development and we'd rather bicker over paying for it? Lord have His mercy! What selfish waste, what short-sighted self-destruction.
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