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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Incredible? Not sure if I'd agree with that, but yeah, they've got a few interesting multi-layered guitar things going on, true (I mean, every song has like 100 guitar tracks, it's definitely a cool sound!), I think everyone can recognize that. But then, CHINESE DEMOCRACY by Guns N Roses has some cool guitar noises/tones/textures, and that record is bullshit.
...But yeah, anyway, a more obvious example is Zero, the solo (and, hell, the main riff). There's some creative pinch harmonics/real harmonics stuff going on. But so what? A few cool guitar noises and tones and solos here and there -- I mean, the dude's written like 1100 songs (LITERALLY), obviously he's going to come up with some interesting stuff every now and then.
Also, I dunno if I'd call James a phenomenal guitarist -- he didn't even play on any of the records did he? I did see a show where he pointed a toy laser gun hooked to his guitar pickups to make laser noises which I thought was cool.
Anyway, I don't think most of their songs or their riffs are that creative or smart, but some of their stuff is at least listenable, and I'll agree that in the 1100 songs Corgan has written, there is an occasional interesting guitar noise or texture. I don't think that's anything groundbreaking, all the songs are just overproduced to the point where they can't breathe. I still think the best thing he ever did is the nanosecond of feedback squeal in Mayonaise.
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Yes, Zero is a boring and lame song. But yes, I do consider the solo on Plume to be incredible, in fact I consider most of Billy's guitar playing to be incredible because I think he is an incredible guitarist. I think Gish, and especially Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot are all incredible. Billy played all of the guitar on the Gish sessions but not Siamese Dream. James is also an excellent player in my opinion. I'm a big fan of his chorus riffs.
I think that with their early material, there is much more than just an occasional interesting noise or texture. I think people criticize them for a number of reasons, one being his voice which is bad I agree, but I think mainly because of Pavement and Sonic Youth's fans tendency to hate on them when most of them probably worshipped them in the 90's. I don't think they were the penultimate 90's band at all, but they did make some groundbreaking, yes groundbreaking music and Corgan is still