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In regards to TINC I think "Survival Sickness" is a great album. Its not in comparsion with Refused stuff, its very different styles of music, perhaps both still fall under punk, but one band does not sound like the other in any way other then the fact that Dennis is in both bands. Even thier second album was pretty good, however when "Armed Love" came out it got a lot of bad press. Not exactly sure where they went wrong, perhaps letting Rick Rubin produce it?
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