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Originally Posted by Daycare Nation
This kind of knowledge, which is called "gnosis," can only be achieved by interior means, and not through epistemological, "subject/object" inquiry. Science and reason describe the attributes of the physical world, but do not penetrate its essence. The conundrum for the materialists is that they never experience God because they are asking the wrong questions and using the wrong methods.
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right, but those "interior means" are necessarily subjective. you can either look outward with the light of reason (an objective method) or look inward to your own feelings (a subjective method). whether you call it gnosis, faith, revelation, or whatever, it all refers to the same thing: the reliance on your own feelings to "prove" things, which can't be done. that kind of epistemological method is tantamount to saying "i feel that god exists, so he must," which is a totally invalid way of demonstrating anything, let alone the metaphysical basis of ultimate reality.