[Glice]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

I should add, Glice gave me a RAW neg-rep in the initial run of this thread calling my conclusions "myopic nonsense". Whilst i respect everyones opinions, if you side with he and not I, you are as to Glice as a sponge is to Diarrhea

Just to be clear on this, if memory serves this was because you tried to deny it was a subculture. Which is horseshit that barely deserves negating.

The thing that fascinates me about Donk, and Scouse, Bassline, Hardcore or its european cousins (I'm well aware it stems partially from Dutch> German gabber and British Acid/Jungle) is how it manages to be entirely massive without ever particularly troubling the mainstream, or popular consciousness. I've not ventured into a Donk night yet (as I'm in the South), but everyone I know who's into Hardcore comes from the massively unfashionable edges of society, be it shit-hole council estates or backwash parochial nowhere'sville.

This is probably difficult for all of you witty, urbane city-dwellers to grasp, but there's something massively satisfying about going to a night with the express intention of simply having a laugh. I may be looking in the wrong parts of the world, but my experience of a lot of guitar-based scenes is that if the intention is to just go out and have a good time and chat to some people, it's often too reserved for that to actually happen. Some of you seem to treat the so-called 'chavs' as some entirely alien culture, but I've always found Happy Hardcore nights to be full of genuinely enthusiastic, chatty and friendly people. I quite often go out to meat-factory house nights, and while the music mostly leaves me cold, I'm guaranteed to have a good time and a good natter to a few people. The uniform of a house night (burberry caps, Ben Sherman/ Fred Perrys) is hardly more restrictive than the standard fucked blue jeans, Converse and band t-shirt, is it?

Also, for what it's worth, the reason I haven't started relative thread for Scouse, Bassline, Speedcore, Jumpstyle, Gabber etc is because, musically, they don't interest me. I can deal with people not liking Donk - it's a ridiculous form and should be treated (and enjoyed!) as such - but there's a definitely whiff of piss-stained indie elitism to this thread which is just crap.