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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
bullshit! California is as fundamental to the formation of America as New York. It is simple, is california not a state of the United States of America? If yes, then the foundations of California are equally the foundations of America, because last time i checked CA was part of america, and so its foundations are the foundations of america as well. New york is not more america than cali, nor is pennsylvania more american than Texas.
America is a formative nation, there is no foundation period, it is a nation of continual change, and the western united states has been pivotal in this historic process. Further, the history you speak of is only applicable to a select proportion of faithful, patriotic white americans, however, unfortunately for they mythical version of america, Americans consist of a shitload more people than these white folks. The national myth of the "founding fathers" is bullshit, but Americans are more then the descendents of those musty old white dudes.
The foundations of america differ depending on the American you are speaking with, it is that simple.
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There was a nation called the United States of America before the realization of the Manifest Destiny. While you are arguing for a more inclusive American identity, which is not without merit, you still cannot deny that fact. A nation by the people and for the people is, by that phrase, defined by the people who populate it. Therefore as the nation grew larger, so has its identity changed. But as a matter of history, the United States began as thirteen English colonies. This entire discussion has been one of me arguing for the actual historic origin of the USA verses what I can only suppose of yours and pheonix points as the USA as a global power. Two very different times and two very different Unions. I deny that any hispanic population was significant in the first, but not the second.